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Is it a bad link or just me?

Tried watching the video and it crashed me.

   

Human impact on the environmnet is minute- we just like to think we are special. We can never be lords over the geologic cycles like we think we can. Look at 15,000 years ago- glaciers all over the damn place. And now they're gone. BTW, we are still not out of what is considered the Ice Age- thus the warming of the planet has never stopped. Yay, the temperature of Earth has raised .5 Celsius over the last century- what about the warming over the past centuries? Who says warming is not exponential? Maybe the rate of warming is increasing and this Ice Age is almost done- and we will have an altered Earth at the end of it.

Moral of the story: There is indeed warming of the globe- but humans didn't do diddly to commence it. We are not above geologic cycles.

   

Odd, try this one

1775, we have been keeping records since 1800's this is true but nature has been keeping records well before us. With core samples taken from the ice and ancient trees we can deduce how our plant looked like before the 1800's.

Carbon can be measured

the global carbon cycle

   

I know,spent 22 years stripping the side of a mountain one layer at a time.
Every single sedimentary layer is a season,I've worked through millions of years of history(or is that pre-history?) and could show you all kinds of disasters just by looking at the rock cut.Floods,meteorite impacts,forest fires,dust storms,droughts,ice ages,volcanic eruptions,types of Dino's by the tracks,etc.
The last couple of hundred millions of years have seen some interesting climate changes,from millions of years of lush tropical rainforest to desert to ocean and back again.
Coal seams are a good example,ten different seams in one mountain means ten periods of tropical forest,all the rock inbetween is what happened inbetween(usually dry or under water)as far as climate.

So when I look at 2000 feet of mountain and the 200 million years of sediments laid down and then look at the layer where us humans have laid sediments that layer isn't very thick.
Even if the science is right mother nature will do what she has allways done.

Maybe the half foot of snow we got the other day will melt.

   

Yes, I know. I am just saying that humans have not initiated this global warming. And, how much we have sped it up is also not verifiable- who knows what turn the geologic cycle has taken? The Earth will do what it wants to do- anything we've done in the past 150 years is like a few volcanos or a slowed ocean current in the eyes of Earth. It's been having a bad hair day for the past 4 billion years- do you think it's really troubled by this little fleck of dandruff called CO2 emissions? It's been there and done that with all the volcanoes and meteors. I think some people hope that it's our fault and that if we corrected our ways, the cycle would stop someday. But that ain't the case- it's never going to stop. Sure, maybe someday it will reverse when the Earth dyes its hair again, but we are so futile on the Earth's crust that anything we do or don't do doesn't make a bit of difference in the long run.

   

If you pay attention to the liberals you'll see that Western Capitalism led by George Bush causes global warming. The vaunted Kyoto Treaty does nothing to reign in industrial pollution in developing countries so it basically translates not as an environmental treaty but a wealth-transfer treaty. When multinational corporations have to move their manufacturing to China and other countries unaffected by Kyoto then you'll see that the pollution is not at all reduced, it is just moved around. So too will be our jobs.

And, by the way, kudos to you for correctly observing that global warming has been going on for a long time. In some unknown generations from now our descendants will be wondering what they can do to stop global cooling when the climate cycle goes that way and Canada is threatened with being smothered under a mile-thick sheet of ice.

   

And his vision of saving the planet with a huge transfer of wealth,mostly into his pocket.
This is one scary dude.
saving the planet with Maurice Strong

   

You mean it isn't already?

   

No snow here.

   

Its all about the money ziggy it always was it always will be.

   

And by the way Kyoto is garbage I doubt most people have even read it. Everyone here is just so giddy cause WE SIGNED AND THOSE BASTARD AMERICANS HAVE NOT. Now your goverment says they cant hold up their end of the bargin cause it costs to much. GW just didnt bother and saved us all the headaches of looking stupid now.

   

Others in this thread have mentioned it and I think it needs to be reiterated, the earth through all of its history has had both warming and cooling trends. This has been going on since loooong before man started walking upright. That being said, should we worry? I say not really, most people practice recycling to one degree or another, and each generation will take it further and further.
The main problem with Kyoto is the fact that it really DOESN'T lower greenhouse gases, it (and it has already been said) it tranfers them to "so called" developing countries. Countries like China(1 billion plus) and India(another billion) are exempt from the cuts that are being pushed at the "developed countries", places like Canada and the US.
I agree that we should work to lower greenhouse gases but that every country be held to the same standard(equality at its finest), if not then all we are going to do is redistribute the smog.
Remember folks, to think that the planet is endangered is ludicrous. In reality it is us, the human race, that is endangered! Something to chew on for awhile.

   

It's Maurice Strongs bank account that will be endangered.
He is a big player in China power and they dont just give those positions to anyone,there usually reserved for family members in China's ruling family.
So he buys a couple of dirty coal fired generating power plants,has plans for a huge suv that he will try and get to the American market using their own pollution laws to get it in.
He's also closely related in business deals with our own PM and has ties right back to Mulroney to buy a bunch of dirty coal fired plants.
And this guy engineered KYOTO?



It doesn't transfer greenhouse gasses,just wealth.
That's what's getting transferred is wealth,Maurice makes no bones about that. He has companies in China that will get that wealth while he runs his plants at less then minimum wage....and you folks call yourselves socialists.
I could give you many links as to why Maurice is a nutbar but some have a mindset and I aint going to try and change it.

   

They do have a mindset. It is called 'socialist'.

They have a worldview that includes coercing other people to participate in their Utopian experiments and that puts them just beyond the edge of reason. Any fact that does not fit with their predetermined notions is rejected and any critic who raises a valid question must be silenced lest the unwashed masses fathom that the Emperor is naked.

   

Bravo People!!!!!!!!

   

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