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Everyone can post which battle they believe to be the most important. They can explain their reasoning or just let it be as it is. Mine is


The Battle of Tours/Poitiers (732)

   

The Battle of Pearl Harbour, hands down.
That was the begining of the new age in America. Its what got them into WWII and that pretty much changed the whole world.

   

I agree important battle. I think the battle of Tours was big and US revolutionary war for its independance was important too. Its a difficult decision to make, since there were many important battles for the west.

   

Ya youre right especially in context of time.
732-1776-1942?

   

Yeah, true. But the more variety the better. Here's one that I rank second after Tours:

The Siege of Constantinople (717-718)

   

Oh yeah for sure. I didnt know that counted as the west. That was a big advance for Islam. Byzantines held the Islam advance westward for I believe 1000years. 1492 Byzantine Catholics fell to Islam. Without byzantines who knows how the world would be different.

   

Okay, let's define the West right now then. Anything stemming from the Roman Empire. So, the Byzantines and all European nations/races with Germanic and Latin tongues. (So basically all of Europe then and all of the Western Hemisphere)

   

That is even more difficult. I still think the siege of Constantinople as far as religion is concerned in light of the recent event between clashing relgions. This was piviotel for Islam and a huge loss for christians. Also the again I think the American Revoultion was another changing point in global events. This inspired mexico to break from spain, any all the other nations followed in the US footsteps. Correct me if I am wrong though, if the US wasnt the first of the current nations here to break from the motherland in Europe.

   

Okay then your talkin the time I got in a battle with that little italian kid, Vinnie Tarantola. He cursed me in Italian and I kicked his ass all over the schoolyard.

   

No, you are right. However, the 717-18 Siege of Constantinople was a great victory for Christianity and Western Civilization because if the Arabs would not have been held there, they would have swept through continental Europe before the nation states of Germany, Italy, and France had even formed. The same goes for 732 Tours. I agree that the 1453 fall of Constantinople to the Turks was definitely huge for Islam, but the European nations had been allowed 700 years to strengthen and form due to Leo III's defense of Constantinople in 717-18 and Charles Martel at Tours. I guess we would never know the difference, but just think- Christianity could have totally been wiped out...I mean there would be little sects of it, but nothing near like today that's for sure.

Western Civilization has a lot of thanks that needs to be given to the Greeks (Byzantines) and French.

   

Well I think you cannot forget the rest of Europe. Byzantium actually paid tribute to vikings, HUNS omg, and other barbaric tribes to hold off the islam juggernaut. I think the byzantines and romans for that matter can be thanked for maintaining a thoughtful , civilized world. Not only did the byzantines keep christianity alive but they kept thought alive, which on the west was being attacked by the goths, huns, vikings. They can be atibutted for much.

   

Let me ask you, are you really from Istanbul?

   

Let's not forget the aborted invasion of Europe by the Mongols in 1242. The Mongol Armies were at the gates of Vienna after having ravaged Asia-Minor and had, in the weeks before congregating before Vienna, decimated the last armies capable of defending Europe. It was only due to the death of Kublai Khan, and the requirement of returning to Mongolia that prevented an annhilation of Europe.

And USofA, I'm going to have to agree with you big time on the Battle of Tours/Poitiers. I would also like to nominate the Battle of the Teutoberg Forest in 9 A.D. Three legions of Roman soldiers were killed in this battle. Soldiers who were on their way to establish a Roman presence in what would eventually become Germany. That never happened and that section of Europe lagged behind the rest of Europe for centuries.

   

No

   

Ah yes, that is definitely a big one too. No kidding about the Mongols, too. That was pretty lucky for the West.

   

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