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Exactly Tricks. Tman's been watching too much CBC propaganda. Peacekeeping involves sending out double chinned, bespectacled wogs and thick waisted chicks in blue berets to man OP's on the Omorphita Plain or operate radios in the Golan Heights.

Raids on Taliban strongholds by JTF2 and mountain patrols by PPCLI resulting in firefights and suicide bombings with insurgents hardly qualifies as "peacekeeping."

   

Are we wearing blue berets? If not, we are not peacekeeping. I don't give a rip if there was no declaration of War. Is Britain peace keeping? Doubts. We probably didn't want to declare war because it would hurt our peacekeeping "image"

   

Last time I checked Afghanistan was an American lead operation not a UN one it is one in US intrest as well as the Canadian intrest.

   

Wow I can't believe I forgot JTF2 Bad Tricks Bad.

So Numure, if we have JTF2 there, and anti terrorist organization meant purely for the killing or capturing of terrorists, how the fuck does that equate to peacekeeping? A buddy in my class is in the reserves. He met some guys from JTF2. He said those guys are fucking scary. Tell me, does that say "peacekeeping" to you?

   

You don't know how right you are. A few years ago, a similar situation was developing in Sierra Leonne. The British sidestepped the useless UN and deployed a single battalion from the Parachute Regiment. Within days they were able to restore order and prevent a massacre.

It doesn't take many well trained, western soldiers to control situations like that. All it takes is a bit of political will to allow them to do it.

I've been very critical of Romeo Dallaire in the past. But to his credit, he asked for the Airborne to be deployed to reinforce his position. Unfortunately for him and Rwanda, Chretien had no interest in sending those bad boys back into the "Heart of Darkness" while they were still mired in controversy over the previous year's deployment to Somalia.

So Chretien avoided a political minefield and went on to re-election, a million Rwandans died, the Airborne got disbanded and Dallaire went bonkers (but was eventually rewarded with a senate appointment).

Business as usual in the Great White North.



That's for sure. In fact, it already has. Nobody was being blown up by suicide bombers in Cyprus.



Well put.

   

This was a failure on Ottawa's part not to know the difference between peace makers and peace keepers. Eggs have to be broken to make an omlette.

   

I think Canada is indeed weak when it comes to general defence matters. This is because of over a decade of gutting the military to pay for social programs, help produce a Federal Budget Surplus, etc.

The problem is that when you have crap equipment and low funding the prestige of being in the Armed Forces is diminished. I'm sure our soldiers feel a lot of prestige, and I commend them immensely for it.

But to the average Joe looking at the Armed Forces, it has become almost a joke, and when it spirals downwards like that, many actually think it would be good to not even have an army. Why bother, in other words. So most feel as a result that we are vulnerable on missions and our troops should come home.

The media do not help with this one bit either.

The more we strengthen our forces and intelligence, border protection, etc. the better.

Most Canadians are completely apathetic about the threats that are out there, and basically ignorant when it comes to the war on terror.

Like Motorcycle Boy, this is not an anti-Canadian stance on my part. Rather it's out of great concern for our great country and the need to protect it in the future.

   

What the fuck is going on?

I just posted that post above and it's credited to Gunbunny.

????

It's BurytheNDPforgood here BTW

   

Closer to 800,000 but yeah absolutely devastating (I highlighted your quote for emphasis) and we got burned in Somalia but so to did Clinton and the whole 'save the world' idea when Randall Shughart and Gary Ivan Gordon got cut down.

I disagree that this is simply 'Business as usual in the Great White North' this was unprecedented and when that happens people revert to instinct. For Jean, it was political instinct but he knew a lost cause when he saw one. No way was any western nation going to save Africa's ass. That does not mean we can't learn what went wrong and how to prepare for the next time, but we need to do something NOW.

As for what we are doing in Afghanistan I believe in the idea that if you break it you bought it. So we should also own up to our responsibilities in Haiti as well and build upon the international consensus we have already in Afghanistan. Iraq is something we should not go for at this point as we will have our hands full already but this is a responsibility we must rise to the occasion and I have faith that Canada will.

   

oh crap... when did you login? I thought this problem was fixed...

   

No peacekeeping is only firing if you are fired upon. Not firing under any circumstances is when your a civilian aid worker. The rules of engagement for Bosnia, which while I believe are overly risky, do provide for use of force, they simply prohibit offensive actions, and retaliation, as well as mandate that weapons are used as a last resort. Not that they aren't used.

Furthermore the UN is not the standard, nor is it necessary for it to be a UN mission in order for it to be considered peace keeping.

from wikipedia



There is nothing inherent in that which is specific to the UN, and it is an apt description for what Canada is doing in Afghanistan at the moment, even if they aren't using the overly restrictive RoE that the UN uses. The strategy the US has been following has been to secure a region before turning it over to NATO to stabilize and to keep the peace in. Thus what Canada is doing is keeping the peace where the war (and the brunt of hostilities) has ended.



At 2000+ meters, hitting the head would be an accident, since no one would be foolish enough to aim for it.



You don't need to have a UN mission in order for it to be a peace keeping mission. All that it requires for a peace-keeping mission is that objective is keeping peace an order, as opposed to a goal of seizing territory

   

The Americans aren't very good, either.

   

Who do you mean by wogs? because where I come from that's a racial insult

   

http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/Operations ... _ops_f.asp

If anyone keeps saying this isnt peace keeping, then I doubt we have the same definitions for peacekeeping missions.

   

This isn't peacekeeping. Our troops are hunting down the leftover taliban.

   

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