Israeli settlement and the forces of light
Yes...but you made reference to a whole slew of people that supported the Zionist Cause...I pointed out that Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism...read up on it and you will find that Zionism contradicts Judaism on quite a few fundamental points...
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One means of misleading many Jews and all too many non-Jews is the Zionist misuse of names and symbols sacred in Judaism. They use the holy name Israel for their Zionist state. They have named their land acquisition fund with a term that traditionally implies the reward for piety, good deeds, and charitable work. They have adopted as a state symbol the menorah (candlebrum). What hypocrisy, what perversion it is to have the Israeli army fight under an emblem, the meaning of which is explained in the Tenach (on the occasion of a previous return to the Holy Land) as, "not with armed force and not with power, but in My spirit says the Lord of Hosts."
Godz46 Godz46:
But that's insane. I mean they're are Jews who don't agree with Israeli actions and even Zionism itself. And they're are Muslims who are Pro-Israel, they're are even atheists who support Israel 100 per cent. Being Pro-israel isn't exactly a distinct Jewish characteristic.
And I made no prediction that ANYONE who was pro-israel was Jewish. I only speculated on you Godz.
Godz46 Godz46:
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And I made no prediction that ANYONE who was pro-israel was Jewish. I only speculated on you Godz.
No you did'nt. You basicaly thought that I was Jewish becuase of my views. And then straight out said that it is impossibel that a Roman Catholic can be as Pro-Israel as me.
Here's what you said:
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Too much passion with their cause for a simple Roman Catholic. You may be lying about your religious affiliation to give the Israeli cause the illusion of wider support.
In other words only Jews are Pro-Israel and no Roman Catholic can be Pro-Israel.
What a nut. I speculated about YOU and YOU alone. I don't know how much clearer I can make this. Maybe you've got some kind of freaky Matlock fantasy where you're some kind of brilliant lawyer, and I'm a dumb witness on the stand, and you're going to get me to admit it? How many more times to I need to say it before you get it?
Godz46 Godz46:
Now I'm not exactly a scholar on Judaism, but I can tell you that most Rabbis believe that Zionism and Judaism go together. And most Christian Scholars agree.
Would you like to give me some examples of Rabbis and Christians agreeing that Zionism is the same as Judaism...I'd be interested in reading about this widespread support for Zionism amonst the clergy...
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/363_Tra ... Shach.html
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/ztheresy.html
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/tenquestions.htm
...I tend to think you're mistaken...and my research into Christian Zionism suggests that they are exactly what Rev_Blair said yor are...an end of days sandwich-board prophet wannabee...best of luck building getting the temple built...
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If you knew anything about religion dumbass, you'll know that Catholics don't believe in rapture. And I support Israel because its the only bastion of freedom in a barbaric part of the world.
Its also interesting to see that you are a staunch defender of gays and lesbians while at the same time, you accuse those who disagree with you of being gay. Using the gay lifestyle as an insult just shows that you’re someone without principles.
Funny...I was raised Catholic. They take Revelations quite seriously.
I'm also wondering where the hell I said anything about gays. Oh wait, I didn't. You have some deep psycological problems, Godz.
human @ Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:58 am
Vanni_Fucci
As for “Anti-Zionism does not equal Anti-Semitism”, let me remind you here with what Martin Luther King, Jr. said once...
".. You declare, my friend, that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist.' And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of God's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews - this is God's own truth. Anti-Semitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind....And what is anti-Zionist? It is the denial to the Jewish people of a fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa and freely accord all other nations of the Globe....The anti-Semite rejoices at any opportunity to vent his malice. The times have made it unpopular, in the West, to proclaim openly a hatred of the Jews. This being the case, the anti-Semite must constantly seek new forms and forums for his poison. How he must revel in the new masquerade! He does not hate
As far as the rest of what you said on your own and from within the links you provided, I must remind you that Jews always through out their ancient history tolerated Self haters Jews who are either extremely attached to the G_D that exists in their mind alone, or to something like every thing bad is done by the Jews, but since they are one, then they settled to blame Jewish Zionism for all their ills. Arabs and anti-Semites capitalized on this not to implicate Jews, but rather more like to veil their hatred toward them by using the veil of Zionism which maybe it was nothing more than a symbol of survival tool under the name of ZION, which by the way, one of G_D’s names according to the Jewish Torah and the Christian bibles.
For me a true political Zionism is nothing more than “POLITICAL RACISIM”, and if any thing, in modern days, qualifies to such description, it has to be both “The Arab League” and “The Islamic League” because while the first is a cartel of racists states that is gathered under the flag of Arab unity that defends the Genocide of the Jews in Israel, and the Genocides of the Christians in Sudan and everywhere else where “The Islamic League” is involved, and they do that through wars, boycotts, and jihads that imply they are oppressed because they are not the ultimate Zionist power that govern itself and others under their flag, and that alone make those two entities the ultimate Zionist of all because they are not seeking their own personal perfection as nationalist, but rather the other people’s perfection of becoming them, and that is A TRUE POLITICAL ZIONISIM. And to tell you the truth, there is not a minimum ground of comparison to Jewish Zionism that teaches the Jewish Diaspora people who stayed out of their land for millenniums the love of their land and what is it about.
While the Islamic Zionism is much more intensive than the “The Arab League” Zionism because it seems like, Mohamed, the founder of Islamic Zionism think THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE is born Moslem and that will be including you, and I bet that with all your intellectual capability of cleverness pretence you either couldn’t understand or you do but ignore and try to veil with your Jewish Zionism’s humanistic pretence.
And here are the verses I am talking about.
All Babies are Born Muslim [What a plain political Zionist statement that is]
Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 8.597 (See also 2.467), Narrated Abu Huraira
Allah's Apostle was asked about the offspring of the pagans. He said, "Allah knows what they would have done (were they to live)."
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "No child is born but has the Islamic Faith, but its parents turn it into a Jew or a Christian. It is as you help the animals give birth. Do you find among their offspring a mutilated one before you mutilate them yourself?" The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! What do you think about those (of them) who die young?" The Prophet said, "Allah knows what they would have done (were they to live)."
The Noble Qur'an Ar-Rum 30:30
So set you (O Muhammad SAW) your face towards the religion of pure Islâmic Monotheism Hanifa (worship none but Allâh Alone) Allâh's Fitrah (i.e. Allâh's Islâmic Monotheism), with which He has created mankind. No change let there be in Khalqillâh (i.e. the Religion of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism), that is the straight religion, but most of men know not.
human @ Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:01 am
mcpuck
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If Isreal Occupied my country, destroyed my schools, infrastructure, killed my people and began building settlements on my land, I would kill them too. I would kill them until they left or killed me. You would too.
So now we know what you will do if Israel occupied your imaginary country, but how about telling us what you will do if those people who don’t occupy countries did, and you don’t have to go through the trouble of defining this one because I am sure you know the right definition in accordance with your taboos…
http://www.canadaka.net/modules.php?nam ... pic&t=3261
And while you are at it why you don’t try to define this here:
http://www.canadaka.net/modules.php?nam ... pic&t=3265
human @ Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:11 am
Deancoo,
Strange how sensitive people like your majesty who jump every humanistic cart every time someone utter the word leftist or liberal of fools in the purpose of pointing into someone who used leftists or liberal of fools ideas, yet yourself don’t mind feeling the urgency and liberty to not only assume Godz ’s Jewishness, but also insult him because of that presumed Jewishness by implying that he is neither balanced nor has an objective mind.
The funny part here is that you did all that because Godz said, “may G_D bless Israel”, which proved only how people like you can objectively balance their views according to their propaganda every time they see Israel when Jews are mentioned, and as natural Irony as their humanistic hypocrisy implies.
Add to all that, your grand intellectual prise of 69 years old man toupee, and you come into the conclusion of “Only small minds can’t see their own prejudice”, which is, indeed, the only thing that is shocking to us.
human @ Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:15 am
Rev_Blair
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He's hoping for the Last Days so he can float up to heaven naked and boff an angel or something.
Actually your description here sound more like what the Imams tells the idiots on how to join the virgins of the skies more than anything else…
Was that part of last Friday sermon in the mosque?
mcpuck @ Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:25 pm
human human:
So now we know what you will do if Israel occupied your imaginary country, but how about telling us what you will do if those people who don’t occupy countries did, and you don’t have to go through the trouble of defining this one because I am sure you know the right definition in accordance with your taboos…
http://www.canadaka.net/modules.php?nam ... pic&t=3261And while you are at it why you don’t try to define this here:http://www.canadaka.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=3265
Human .. while your arguments are compelling, I believe strongly that you are dwelling in the past ... What you negate is human nature. Yes, Islam was spread by the sword and yes Islam has used intolerance effectively. All this is indisputable. But, Palestinians are not Arabs. In fact, they did not attack Israel (correct me if I'm wrong) until 1967. The PLO (formed in 1964) didn't decide until 1967 that their primary goal was the destruction of the state of Israel. At this point, they had already suffered a great deal within the new Jewish state. If they were treated fairly and equally, they could have been effective partners in a new Jewish state. Essentially, they were treated sort of the same way we treated the Japanese in world war 2.
Its very simple ... its all about trust and respect ...
The Israelis are suffering from decisions they made in the past.
and for the record ... I'm not the least bit racist
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What you did was simply state that I support Israel becuase my religion tells me so. Well that's not true. The Catholics don't believe in the "greter Israel" rapture put forth by some Protestant groups.
What I did was say that you are a lunatic.
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Right here:
I'm sorry...I didn't realise that you think angels are gay.
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And what about your other posts in other threads where you lashed out the words "Cocksucker", or even tried to imply those who don't disagree with you as being gay.
Generic term...it's just your homophobia that makes you read it that way. There is a fair amount of evidence that a lot of homophobes are insecure about their sexuality, I guess you fit right in there.