Pakistan/South Asia Khabrein (news)
Fighter @ Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:59 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Yeah! How dare India kill our terrorists!
Tomorrow Pakistan will do the same and bomb randomly some place of hindu right wing RSS dominated areas in India....You will like that ? If this becomes norms, rule of law and world will become absolute joke. Indians can claim whatever they want...No one right now is ready to believe them.
An attempt to gain political mileage by doing this shit has completely backfired for Modi. Pakistan will not allow that mass murderer to go unchecked. He will be given answer for every miscalculation.
Indian pilot fired into air before being capturedMUZAFFARABAD: Mohammad Razzaq Chaudhry was in the courtyard of his house in Horra’n village, located barely 7km from the Line of Control (LoC) in Azad Jammu and Kashmir’s Bhimber district, at about 8:45am on Wednesday when the “smoke and sound” made him realise that a dogfight was going on up above in the sky.
Upon watching them carefully, the 58-year-old political and social activist of the area noticed that two aircraft had caught fire but while one of them sped across the LoC, the other burst into flames and came down speedily.
Its wreckage fell more than one kilometre away from the house of Mr Razzaq towards the eastern side in a deserted field.
Mr Razzaq said he saw a parachute descending towards the ground, which made landing around one kilometre away from his house but on the southern side.
“A pilot emerged out of the parachute safe and sound,” he told Dawn from Horra’n village by telephone.
Mr Razzaq said he had in the meantime made calls to several youngsters in the village, asking them not to go close to the wreckage until arrival of the army personnel but get hold of the pilot.
The pilot, who was equipped with a pistol, asked the youngsters whether it was India or Pakistan. On this, one of them intelligently responded that it was India. The pilot, later identified as Wing Commander Abhi Nandan, shouted some slogans and asked which place exactly it was in India.
To this, the same boy responded that it was Qilla’n.
The pilot told them that his “back was broken” and he needed water to drink.
Some emotional youth, who could not digest the slogans, shouted Pakistan army zindabad. On this, Abhinandan shot a fire in the air while the boys picked up stones in their hands.
According to Mr Razzaq, the Indian pilot ran a distance of half a kilometre in backward direction while pointing his pistol towards the boys who were chasing him.
During this brisk movement, he fired some more gunshots in the air to frighten them but to no avail, he said. Then he jumped into a small pond where he took out some documents and maps from his pockets, some of which he tried to swallow and soaked others in water.
The boys kept on asking him to drop his weapon and in the meanwhile one boy shot at his leg, Mr Razzaq said.
Finally, he came out and said he should not be killed. The boys got hold of him from both arms. Some of them roughed him up, in a fit of rage, while others kept on stopping them.
In the meanwhile, army personnel arrived there and took him into their custody and saved him from the wrath of the youths, he said.
“Thanks God, none of the furious boys shot him dead because he had given them quite a tough time,” he said.
The detained pilot was then taken to an army installation in Bhimber in a convoy of military vehicles.
As the convoy passed through Khalil Chowk of Bhimber city, some 50km away from Horra’n, it was greeted by dozens of cheerful citizens standing on both sides of the road. They showered rose petals on the military vehicles, amid slogans like Long Live Pakistan army, Long Live Pakistan Air Force, Long Live Pakistan and Long Live Kashmir.
Published in Dawn, February 28th, 2019
https://www.dawn.com/news/1466569/indian-pilot-fired-into-air-before-being-captured

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A very good read, debunking Indian claim of F-16 jet downing.
Veli-Pekka is a doctoral student at Finnish National Defence University, researching social media and open source intelligence. He has a long background in the technology industry, more recently focusing on defense research.
Falcon vs Bison: Verifying a MiG-21 WreckMarch 2, 2019 By Veli-Pekka Kivimäki
On February 27th amid heightening tensions between India and Pakistan in Kashmir, an Indian Air Force MiG-21 aircraft was shot down by Pakistan. In the ensuing war of words over the incidents, both sides made varying claims about the incident, with India saying they had downed a Pakistani aircraft, while Pakistan stated it had downed two Indian aircraft. India acknowledged the loss of one, while Pakistan denied any losses of aircraft.
Against this backdrop, when images of apparent aircraft wreckage started popping up on social media, different interpretations were offered on what the images actually show. This post focuses on claims that pictures released by Pakistan actually showed parts of an F-16, purportedly downed by India.
The two tweets below are examples of claims made regarding the aircraft pieces.
The tweets above claimed to show F-16 parts, so we’re focusing on these for the verification. First, comparing two of the images released by Pakistan, we can determine they are two different perspectives of the same aircraft part. The colored arrows point out details that can be used for matching, such as a service hatch and a bent metal pipe.
A YouTube video from the scene also presents a walkaround view of the same part, establishing the same. (1:56 onwards)
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/rest-of-world/2019/03/02/falcon-vs-bison-verifying-a-mig-21-wreck/You can read whole article by going at above link. I posted only half...
Lies have no legs to stand on. Proud of PAF.
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JF-17 Manufacturer's Stock Soars After Pakistan Air Force's Success Against IndiaMarch 03, 2019
Squadron Leader Hasan Siddiqui of Pakistan Air Force (PAF), flying a Pakistan-made JF-17 Block 2 serial 15-201 fighter jet, shot down Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman of Indian Air Force (IAF) flying a Russia made MiG 21. Abhinandan was captured by Pakistan last week. The news has boosted the stock price of CAC (Chengdu Aircraft Corporation) which jointly developed JF-17 Thunder with Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC).
JF-17 Thunder Fighter:
The development of JF-17, a modern highly capable and relatively inexpensive fighter jet, is the crowning achievement to-date of the Pakistan-China defense production cooperation. It's being deployed by Pakistan Air Force with Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC). The latest version is capable of launching a variety of nuclear and conventional weapons ranging from smart bombs and air-launched cruise missile Raad to anti-ship missiles.
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) got its start decades ago by setting up maintenance facilities for advanced fighters like French Mirage and US F-16s and by manufacturing Mushshak and Super Mushshak trainer aircraft. It is now also building JF-17s as well as a variety of drones, including combat UAV Burraq being used in Pakistan's war against militants in Waziristan.
India-Pakistan Aerial Combat:
Squadron Leader Hasan Siddiqui of Pakistan Air Force (PAF), flying a Pakistan-made JF-17 Block 2 serial 15-201 fighter jet, shot down Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman of Indian Air Force (IAF) flying a Russia made MiG 21. Abhinandan was captured by Pakistan last week.
Indian officials have confirmed the loss of IAF's MiG 21, acknowledging that MiG-21 Bison, Su-30MKI and Mirage 2000 aircraft were all scrambled to head off the PAF strike squadrons over Kashmir.
The confirmation that JF-17 Thunder was used in successful aerial combat came in a tweet from Retired PAF Air Marshal Shahid Latif who tweeted: "Proud to announce, I was project director for JF-17 Thunder program jointly produced by Pakistan and China during the [2001-2008] tenure of general Pervez Musharraf. Today, same jets targeted and shot down Indian jets which entered Pakistani airspace."
Stock Market Reaction:
Within hours of the Pakistan Air Marshall's tweet, the publicly traded shares of Shenzhen-listed Sichuan Chengfei Integration Technology (CAC-SCIT), a sister company of JF-17 maker Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC), rose 10% five minutes on Wednesday - hitting the maximum daily increase allowed on the Chinese stock market, according to the South China Morning Post. The shares in CAC-SCIT, which makes car parts, rose a further 10% on Thursday. CAC is not publicly listed. CAC-SCIT shares had dropped back 5.57% by midday on Friday.
JF-17 Export Potential:
The JF-17 recently won an export order from Nigeria. Next possible customer is Myanmar where JF-17 was recently seen in an air force parade. The New York Times has reported that a joint China-Pakistan defense manufacturing hubs in Pakistan is being set up to win new export customers among Muslim countries. Pakistan is already in talks with Malaysia for sale of JF-17s to Malaysian Air Force. There is potential to export close to a billion dollars worth of JF-17 Thunders.
PAF's Tail Choppers:
Squadron Leader Hasan Siddiqui is a member of PAF's 14 Squadron called ‘Tail Choppers’ which was officially re-equipped with Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) JF-17 fighters on February 16, 2017, according to AirForces Monthly magazine. Here's an excerpt from the magazine:
"The initial batch of 16 JF-17s replaced some of the last remaining Chengdu F-7Ps that had been in service with the ‘Tail Choppers’ at PAF Base Minhas. The ‘Tail Choppers’ became the fifth PAF squadron to operate the type after 26 Squadron ‘Black Spiders’, 16 Squadron ‘Black Panthers’, the Combat Commanders School, and 2 Squadron ‘Minhas’. The squadron was the second to re-equip with Block 2 aircraft. However, it the first to fly the Block 2 operationally with the air-to-air refuelling probe fitted. On June 19, 2017, a JF-17 shot down an Iranian reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) over Panjgur, Balochistan, 28 miles (45km) inside Pakistani territory."
Summary:
Confirmation that PAF's Squadron Leader Hasan Siddiqui flying JF-17 Block 2 shot down an Indian fighter jet has boosted investor interest in the aircraft with double digit percentage increase in CAC's share price. It is likely to boost Pakistan's exports of this fighter jet to Nigeria, Myanmar and Malaysia.
Here's a music video featuring Squadron Leader Hasan Siddiqui:
https://www.southasiainvestor.com/2019/03/jf-17-manufacturers-stock-soars-after.htmlIt's easy to shout 'Sir G Call strikes' claiming xyz targets destroyed and such without having to show anything for it ...
Pakistan in ONE DAY has the
-Wreckage of an Indian aircraft in Azad kashmir
-Circulating pictures on the internet of the intended targets where it (PAF) struck
-Pictures of the wreckage of the Indian aircraft that crashed in the Indian side of the line of control
-And the icing on the cake, Pakistan has an Indian airforce serving Wing commander in its custody to show for its efforts
To put it simply, Pakistan military has done more and stacked up more evidence in ONE DAY than the Indians could manage in multiple efforts in a span of more than 4-5 days!
Thanks us later

Actually two or three Indians jets were down by Pakistanis....Mig 21 and there was one more...Indian media initially reported it but removed it suddenly. Probably SU-30 MKI, top of line IAF Jet
Indian Media reporting PAF shot down SU-30 MKI aircraft - In English
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Dunno. All I know is Balakot makes me think of Balochistan.
It’s in KP province:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BalakotPakistan has its own insurgency/terrorism problem in Balochistan
Sunnyways Sunnyways:
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Dunno. All I know is Balakot makes me think of Balochistan.
It’s in KP province:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BalakotPakistan has its own insurgency/terrorism problem in Balochistan
Really? An insurgency you say. That's interesting. What complaint could these Balochistani insurgents possibly have with Pakistan. Fighter tells us everything is perfect in Pakistan. Why would anybody object to perfection? What is wrong with these Balochistanis anyway?
Douwe @ Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:41 am
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Sunnyways Sunnyways:
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Dunno. All I know is Balakot makes me think of Balochistan.
It’s in KP province:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BalakotPakistan has its own insurgency/terrorism problem in Balochistan
Really? An insurgency you say. That's interesting. What complaint could these Balochistani insurgents possibly have with Pakistan. Fighter tells us everything is perfect in Pakistan. Why would anybody object to perfection? What is wrong with these Balochistanis anyway?
Pakistan is a Muslim state. Some sort of nut case rebellion is pretty much the norm. If it is not the Taliban it is Al Qaeda and if not either of those then some other nut jobs show up.
Hot news: Indian Navy Submarine detected near Pakistan's coastal border
Summary of Indian humiliation order wise:-
List of humiliation and embarrassment faced by India at military and diplomatic front within just two weeks.
1. IAF airstrikes busted (IAF buzz-out after dropping the payloads on the blank surface - Fear to face air to air engagements with Pakistan airforce fighter jets).
2. PAF breached the international borders (went Inside Indian occupied Kashmir) and targets Indian military installations (especially at the time of when Indian high-command was sitting near one of the mil targets - unconfirmed reports that IA commanders even heard the sound of PAF bombing).
3. IAF Mig and SU30 MKI shot down by Pakistan Air Force.
4. New York Times, The Guardians, Reuters, BBC making fun of Indian media, India's narrative and claims.
5. In OIC resolution, Indian declared as a "Terrorist State".
6. Pakistan military and intelligence successfully foiled Indian missiles attack.
7. International Media declared Indian Media number one "Fake news broadcaster"
8. Detection of Indian Navy submarine near Pakistan's water.
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This is what we call proper fucking....that too from 5 times smaller neighbor....Shame on you, India.
You guys don't believe me...Read this, coming from loser's mouth, Indian PM Modi indirectly admitting that PAF owned his country
If India had Rafale jets, recent outcomes would have been different: PM Narendra Modi
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/if-india-had-rafale-jets-recent-outcomes-would-have-been-different-pm-narendra-modi-1469100-2019-03-02
Russians must be quite embarrassed due to what happened...And French must be shitting in their pants
Their whole Rafale jet's reputation is on the line...French must think thrice before selling any stuff to Indians.

You're admitting that your country entered Indian airspace, fired on ground targets, essentially your nation conducted an act of war, you broke the Geneva convention and your giddy because of this. Dude, understand, you do not want war.
Tricks @ Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:26 am
Honestly, I feel like if these countries were people, they'd be 8 year olds having a slap fight.

I can see this.
Douwe Douwe:
Pakistan is a Muslim state. Some sort of nut case rebellion is pretty much the norm. If it is not the Taliban it is Al Qaeda and if not either of those then some other nut jobs show up.
Thanks Douwe. It's good to hear from a real expert. Somehow I'd gotten the impression it was about Baloch nationalists upset concerning how Pakistan and foreign interests were raping the region's natural resources and exploiting the native residents.
Douwe @ Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:12 pm
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Douwe Douwe:
Pakistan is a Muslim state. Some sort of nut case rebellion is pretty much the norm. If it is not the Taliban it is Al Qaeda and if not either of those then some other nut jobs show up.
Thanks Douwe. It's good to hear from a real expert. Somehow I'd gotten the impression it was about Baloch nationalists upset concerning how Pakistan and foreign interests were raping the region's natural resources and exploiting the native residents.
What I said stands. Currently Pakistan hosts a number of radical Muslim organizations including Al Qaeda, Isis, and the Taliban. The country is also riddled with corruption and tribalism has always been a serious problem.
No argument there. I'm not sure that's the centre of the Balochistan problem though.
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Sunnyways Sunnyways:
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Dunno. All I know is Balakot makes me think of Balochistan.
It’s in KP province:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BalakotPakistan has its own insurgency/terrorism problem in Balochistan
Really? An insurgency you say. That's interesting. What complaint could these Balochistani insurgents possibly have with Pakistan. Fighter tells us everything is perfect in Pakistan. Why would anybody object to perfection? What is wrong with these Balochistanis anyway?
I say insurgency, he says terrorism. Of course, the difference between local terrorism and an insurgencyis is largely in the eye of the beholder. Thus India is much more sympathetic to separatists in Balochistan than Kashmir.