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I have a rather quick question for you people just several hundred miles (or Kilometers in your books) north of me...

I have noticed, from the threads on this forum and speaking with persons living in Canada on IRC and on other forums, that you seem to have a loathing of the American persona.

Is this loathing and hatred directed towards the Americans themselves, or only the American Government?

   

Warning: A lot of unsupported blanket statements and characterizations are about to be made...

Certainly, the majority of comments that you will read are not intended to be targeted as individuals. Many of us know Americans, and have American friends and family. At an individual level, I think very few people would consider themselves anti-American. Rather, I would say many of us quite like Americans at an individual level. We share many things, culturally, socially, etc.

However, a lot of people in Canada have some significant, and often legitimate, concerns regarding the current American administration. The U.S. federal government has the potential to significantly impact the globe and, in particular, its closest neighbours and largest trading partners. How they choose to voice those opinions is what I don't like. Calling President Bush "Shrub" or worse does little credit to anyone's arguments against Mr. Bush's policies, regardless of how much one might disagree with those policies. He remains the head of state of the U.S., and remains quite popular at home, and is deserving of some respect, as we all are. (Some on this board would certainly argue that his actions have negated any respect that he might have deserved, but I believe the office of the President and by extension its occupant are deserving of respect).

Having said all that, much of the anti-American type of sentiments are, for some, driven more by a need to prove Canadian superiority than true dislike of the U.S. Canadians have a bit of a complex when it comes to the U.S. Perhaps we feel overshadowed by our much bigger neighbour to the south. I don't know, but I can see no other explanation for what is often not fully rational perspectives regarding Canada, its accomplishments and its position relative to the U.S.

   

You can count me in that camp.

Something you need to keep in mind, Antman, is that the United States is the largest imperial force on the planet today. That means your policies, even some of your domestic ones, have ripples that spread out and affect the entire planet. Bush's unilateral and narrow viewpoint has led to policies that benefit the US and if that is to the detriment of the rest of the planet, well too bad for the rest of the planet.

After 9-11 the US had the goodwill of most of the planset behind it. A few short months later it had become the most universally disliked and mistrusted country on the planet. That didn't happen all by itself, and it certainly isn't just a Canadian phenomenon. It is a reaction to US policies that have a negative impact on others.

   

To answer your question,

Just the Bush government, his policies, and most of all his actions.
As of the American public, great people, very nice to deal with.

-M-

   

I'm going to have to agree with everyone so far.

   

It has to be a fundamental part of the American psyche, no doubt due to the faulty education system there, that makes Americans so crude and unruly. The USA is a country which, once it threw off its ties to Great Britain had no history at all. At that time it was decided by the state to pretend to a proud and honourable history, when in fact the very acts that it did perform are dispicable, the wars it says it won; it lost, and the things it values are valueless.

I used to work at a service station near a major highway. Anyone from anywhere else in the world would stop , get out of their cars, and politely inquire, "Please sir, can you direct me to the washrooms?" A USA resident would roll down his window a quarter mile away and yell as he sped onto the lot, "WHERE DO YA SHIT?"

I've given up on trying to educate Americans, but in a nutshell, their heroes are crooks and buffoons, their history is a pack of lies, and everything they think they've won, they've lost. Once you get past that; people are just folks.

   

I'm going to have to agree with Mario on this. Most people use "Americans" as a blanket statement in discussions about the US.

We are talking principally about the brownshirts that occupy the White House and not the American people.

American people, as individuals, are people just like you or I (albeit with some ideological divides which derive from either countires history).

The only times I've spoken negatively about Americans as a whole was after the during the run up to the Iraq War/Annexation when I wondered to myself how Americans could be so goddamnned stupid sometimes.

Other than that I harbour no ill will to American people, only to America's government. I'm sure most, if not all, of the other people who visit this site feel the same way.

   

Just the government, and a few select morons I've met

   

The same could be said for Canada or anything other country. Hasn't every country in the world killed people and done horrible acts? Couldn't some of the people Britian holds to be heros really be crooks and buffoons? I don't see how everything the US thinks they have won they have lost.

That whole hting about a US resident speeding down the highway asking where do ya shit is such a joke. I don't even know why I deal with people like you. I have never done any of those things you said, I'm an American, and you are just a biased basterd who thinks he knows it all. You don't know me, yet you judge my culture like you are in the position....

You obviously don't know any average Americans, so don't try to act like you know something, and go back to the gas station you work in.

It's funny, you can tell who actually knows average Americans here, and whos ignorant. The people who actually know Americans here don't talk crap about Americans cause they know that the United STates has a wide variety of people. The ignorant people here see a couple stupid Americans and suddenly think they know every American and are in the place to make judgements about them. Well, to you people who can distinquish average, everyday Americans just trying to make a living like yourselves, and Government millionaires trying to fuck people over, my hat go off to you!!

   

So every American is crude and unruly? Sure, we don't have the best education system, thanks to the conservatives in government who want to reinstate religion as a necessary class, and sure, in 1781, we had no history except for the French and Indian War, and this has what to do with anything? Which wars have we stated that we had won when we had lost? Let me recap the wars as per my learning:

French and Indian War: won
American Revolution: won with french help
War of 1812: Draw, neither side victored
American Civil War: can't really pin this one, since both sides were, in fact, American, although one was technically a different country (The Confederate States of America, or the CSA)
World War 1: won, with Canada-Australia-Anglo-Franco-Brazilian help
World War 2: won, with Canada-Australia-Anglo-Franco-Soviet-Sino-Afriko-Polish-Brazilian help
Korean War: Objectives Accomplished, although it was technically a UN conflict
Vietnam War: Lost
First Gulf War: Won, but, thanks to the idiotic policies of our conservative leadership at the time, we set the state for the second Gulf War.
Second Gulf War: yet to be determined.


I have never heard this happen. Did this service station by any chance happen to be in New York or Alabama? And doesn't Canada use the Metric system?


From what I have heard you say, the last thing I need is your "education". If you educated me, I would be hating all Canadians, and everything about them, because of their education system.

   

War of 1812: You lost.

World War 1: The USA helped us.
World War 2: Britian, Russia, Canada won. with the help on the USA.

   

How did we lose the War of 1812? We removed the British forts from the Western USA. If we had lost, we would have been annexed by Britain.

World War 1: If the USA had not intervened, Germany WOULD have taken Paris. They had fresh divisions from the Eastern Front.

World War 2: Britain was not doing so good, France had fallen, and the Soviets were being killed. If the USA had not supplied extra troops, the Normandy Landings would not have succeeded.

   

Ill give you world war 1 and war of 1812, but if Canada won World War 2, then so did the US. The US did defeat Japan, from a military basis.

You named 3 battles, and suddenly that is suppose to mean that the US has never won a war? You actually think the US has never won any war? You're a fucking moron Adam hahaha.

D-day:
Canada 1 beach
US 2 beaches which are the most defended....yet according to AdamNF the US only helped out, while Canada won World War 2. I think it's the other way around. Canada helped out, while the US's industrial might made the Allies a force not to be messed with. The US supplied Britian and Russia with a good amount of materials that they could use for the war. AdamNF, go read some history books because you start claiming that the US didn't win World War 2, and only helped, yet Canada somehow won. Given numbers of supplies given, the US gave more; given the number of troops given, the US lost more, yet Canada won.

Hey Antman, you should ignore AdamNF, he has just proved how much of a moron, hypocritical, dumbass he really is. Even the most liberal person would not claim that Canada did more in World War 2 than the US. Now, I am not talking about statistics, I'm talking about the real numbers, not averages.

According to AdamNF, Canada and Britian won, yet when I compare numbers, the US gave 16,112,566 men, lost 291,557, and had 670,846 wounded. Canada gave 1,086,343 men, lost 42,042, and had 53,145 wounded. Now, World War 2 was a terrible war, but don't go disrespecting us Americans by saying Canada won the war with those other countries, and the US only helped. The US gave alot more help to the effort than Canada, and lost more men. Hey AdamNF, why don't you pull your head out of your ass and humble yourself. All this ignorant hate towards Americans will get you nowhere.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004619.html

   

you know what guys? there are so many factors that contributed to the outcome of both world wars, especially in the second.

it is pretty useless to argue "we won because of such and such".

   

I'm not trying to argue who won what, I am just saying respect should be given where it is deserved. The US gave 16 million troops to the allied effort, gave money, and tons of supplies, and to have AdamNF, someone who tells me he is smarter than I, say that Canada, Russia, and Britian where the ones who won the war, and the United States only helped, is a petty and childish slap in the face to the millions of men who faught and the thousands who died over there that where American. We did just as much, if not more, than Canada in the second World War. Let's just hope there's never another world war, but with ignorant hateful people like AdamNF, it wouldn't surprise me if there was. I respect all the Americans and Canadians who helped in the war, and it was a joint effort, so don't disrespect the men who died fighting facism(please save the Bush remarks).

   

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