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I hope not, how the hell can anyone NOT know about Toronto. Its the first thing people think about Canada. Either that or his Americanized Geography skills need brushing up on.

   

There's a saying I ripped off Just For Laughs...

"There's only one thing keeping this country together. Toronto. Everyone hates that town."

   

DerbyX

I am not that cheap

Maybe I should not have mentioned ``affordable``. What was meant is not paying 500$ for a motel, that's all lol !!!! Even If I was a billionaire, I still would not pay that much to stay 1 night in a motel.

Anyways, I am sure there are some pretty neat places to see there eh !!! Is there other things to see other than the usual known places? Regardless, I am sure to enjoy my visit.

   

Ya right,keep thinking that.


Polls mean nothing,and that's not a Russian flag.

But you have no problem voting in those that benefit you most and not other Canucks....puhleeeez!

Then you have no conscience.

And this little gem.


huh? Toronto is in Ontario no?
Ok,I understand now.

And this;

Why? because I believe in an elected senate and honest government that actually represents the people? Because I abhor people that vote in thieves just to keep their own people working and money in their bank account thanks to liberal policies? You know the ones,they get promised to you every election and you take it knowing it will keep you in the green as long as the liberals are in.

I was prolly singing God save the queen in school long before you were even a twinkle in your daddys eyes so dont tell me what a real Canadian is all about. It sure isnt about ripping off your fellow Canadians.

I also lived in Toronto.

   

I'm not stepping in here to defend ziggy (I disagree with a lot of zig's post), but this quote by DerbyX deserves comment.

Are you saying that allowing the sponsorship scandal is good for Canada?
How about wait times doubling during the Liberal watch?
The HRDC boondoggle?
Calling the leader of our country's largest trading partner a "moron"?
Referring to our neighbour's citizen's as "bastards"?

The pattern of Liberal behaviour is clear: do what's in the best interest of the Liberal party and pander to whatever is popular in the polls (giving pollsters and the media an insane amount of power). Protecting the Liberal image being the constant goal...

The masses in Toronto (and Ontario) get catered to so much, that they don't recognize the gaping lack of leadership within the federal Liberals. The parroting of popular opinions is popular... duh. This is why the Liberals have so much support here. To me, actions (gross mismanagement of government funds) speak louder than words, and when the Liberals promise the world to everyone who wants it, I feel sickened at their popularity. People like to hear easy answers, and the Liberals have a ton of them... the problem is the lack of substance (remember the signing of Kyoto without a plan?).

Another thing: Toronto media (with only a couple exceptions) are blantantly and overwhelmingly biased towards Liberal dogma. According to these "information" sources, the Lib's can do no wrong, and the Conservatives can do no right. How do you fight that?

   

What's in it for Toronto?
That's all that matters,sickens me that folks that like to call themselve's Canadians have no problem taking the government handouts from other Canadians.
Guess because I'm from Alberta and we have "oil" that gives them the right to rip me off and expect me to pay their way.

   

Explain the liberal success and your lack of it?



Ya but votes do and the conservatives never seem to get enough. Its not canadian either dumbass.



I vote liberal because I believe in the richer provinces helping the poorer ones. The liberals support this. A party helping only ontario would stop this. Get it!

Martin and crew are innocent until proven guilty and I believe that he's innocent. I have no conscience? You have no brain.



TO gives some 5 billion more then it receives and ontario in turn gives more then it receives. Get it now? Should I use smaller words?

Yes, because in the end the liberals will be better then the conservatives. Get it?



The liberals were elected fair & square. The conservatives are hardly honest. Liberal policies have always been about helping others with more social programs then conservatives. Hardly lining their pockets unlike conservative kickbacks from US oil companies.

I grew up in the Canadian forces and have defended Canada against all comers. Never question my patriotism again. GET IT? I don't hate Alberta because they vote conservative. I don't hate Quebec because they vote bloc sometimes. I don't hate any province, region, or city in Canada like you do. You pop off on any province that doesn't vote how you personally want. With the exception of responding to your post I don't actually hate the conservatives but cannot vote them unless they change a few key stances. You just hate everything that isn't your own personal view. That isn't Canadian and I doubt you truly are. Don't bother responding because I've wasted enough time on a bigot such as yourself.

Sharkull;

No the sponsership scandal isn't and I hope they lop the heads off those responsible. THat MP was disciplined although I agreed with her views she should have shut her mouth.

Pandering to the polls is what we get with a minority Gov't. A minority conser Gov't would do the same.

I vote liberal lbecause of a few key issues. The conservatives are religious minded and anti-gay rights and anti-abortion. The NDP doesn't have the moxy yet.

TO & Ontario get catered to??? We all hear that and wonder why so much money leaves TO & ON to go elsewhere. Roads are crumbling but we soldier on to help those who need it more and they HATE us for it.

   

Ziggy wrote:

Alberta eh? Why am I not surprised. Do you remember when your mad cow got all of ontario's and the ROC beef banned? We held loads of "Help Alberta" BBQ's. During the drought we sent tons of grass/hay out west to help out. If it was an ON cow that got Alberta beef banned how much FUROR would you guys create (be honest?) And your premier said "shoot, shovel, shut up?" If a liberal had said that what would alberta say.

WE did all that because alberta needed the help. Thats who you know who your friends are? Canadians like you Canada does not need.

   

DerbyX,
...Parrish was only the "bastards" comment (and she was not punished until much later, for the TV incident IIRC). The "moron" comment came from Cretien's PMO, and he did NOTHING about it.

I agree (this upsets me too...). The catering I meant was in superficial matters (see my earlier post when I mention TSN = Toronto Sports Network), nothing of substance.


Next election, talk to your CPC candidate. He/she may be more open-minded, and party policy allows free votes on social issues.


All of Cretien's years were in majority governments, and all he did was "lead" by following polls...

   

This is priceless.

See that's why your hated,you just dont get it,aligning yourself with a corrupt party and then claiming you did it for the good of Canada just dont cut it with true Canadians that are paying for it anymore.

Your saying corruption is good as long as it helps out the poor people.

That may be your Canada and after ten years of them handing out the bucks I can see why you feel that way.

Old habits die hard

   

Who sent the hay out?
And to where?
Or do you even know?

For your info the hay was sent from BSE ravished Alberta to drought stricken BC by Alberta farmers.

The trucks had a heck of a time at the scales and the DOT shut some down for safety violations.

I had no idea you folks sent seeds up our way,maybe you could provide a link.

If it was an Ontario cow we as Albertans would have done as usuall and stuck together,most cattle come's from all over Canada so saying one is from Alberta dont make no sense.The cattle farmers and marketers are a tight knit group and wouldnt use a scenario like you suggested for fear of ruining an allready fragile market.

Whatever you think,Canadians like me helped to build Alberta and BC's economy during the last 28 years,your health care and all the other stuff you get from the government are there because people like me believed in them and fought tooth and nail for them,went months on the strike line without a cheque and all for what....so loud mouthed little assholes like you can say what you want on here without fear of recrimination or losing your job for having your say.
24 years in the IUOE,we fought so guys like you have a say....and you call me a dumbass.

I sure arent proud of the likes of you if your the next generation.

Just my opinion.
20 years from now you will think different.

   

I remember that period. It was recent as a matter of fact. I am from a rural area, a limestone island with shallow soil. We are just off shore of the mainland of northern Lake Huron where the land is swampy and soil acidic. So the farmers here don't have an easy time of it yet they banded together and organized shipments of hay to the west. Even trucking companies gave reduced rates. Really these guys, and families, could hardly afford to do it but they did, makes me proud to be from northern Ontario.

   

What would you do?

Do the right thing and report a cow with BSE or shoot shovel and shut up?
What would you do?
Dont think it hasn't happened all over Canada but you wont hear about it.

   

Ziggy;

If you can't remember Ontario shipping hay/grass out to help or helping out during BSE and you are one blind, sorry SOB who see's only alberta (and the west). Just google it to find the links. Do you seriously think that when the BSE & drought crisis hit that no one in ontario cared? IF you say yes then my comment to you is "Go and fuck yourself!!". My company held a beef-buy BBQ for employee's & family. It was a "Help Alberta Beef Ranchers BBQ". Despite people like you (and the unfortunate knowledge that there are many selfish republicans in alberta) I like to think that we pitched in to help. Your Welcome. I doubt very much you would do the same if ontario needed help. If you are what our Canadian forefathers are like its no wonder we have a unity crisis. Do me a favour. Move to Texas, pick up a bible and forget you ever lived in Canada because you are not fit to be from the same generation as my father (who proudly served my country for over 30 years).

   

In reviewing the commentary here I've developed a hypothesis:

Toronto is to Canada what New York City is to the USA.

Unlike what T-man posted, I don't think of Toronto when I think of Canada.

"Canada" to me inspires thoughts of Victoria and the wonderful tea houses, visions of the mountainous glories of Whistler, the majesty of the Sea to Sky Highway, the fury of the Fraser River, the delicate and intriguing flavours of the wines of the Okanagan, the unique and indescribable blue of Lake Louise, charming and beautiful women, Niagara Falls the way it should be (the US side is a dump), Halifax (it's the poor man's Victoria, but it's still nice!), and mostly polite and decent police officers. And there's so much more I can't even begin to list in this reverie.

Much the same as there is more to the USA than New York City.

But you'd never know it from asking a New Yorker.

   

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