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The one I live in,maybe you didnt see it but I know that some farmers still had hay but wouldnt part with it,anyone who drives rural Alberta would have seen that not all farmers had it bad,sure it was dry but there was still round bales that rotted during that drought. In the extreme south edge of the province they also did get 2 cuts in that year. right across the border they got 2 cuts in also(elk valley)but you all saw the news and the media made it look far worse then it was. But if you choose to base all your findings on what you saw on the news then you will think we had a full scale drought and cattle were drying up and blowing away in the chinook winds.

So lets recap,you folks are all pissed because what you saw on tv said Alberta was drying up and I'm saying that was partial bullshite.
I guess I should break away from all my farm bud's because their liars and start basing future knowledge on what I see on tv then?

Maybe I should have closed my eyes while driving by all those round bales?
Hate to break it to you but farmers will milk it if they smell assistance in the air. Alberta also wouldnt even have crops if it werent for irrigation.

Not one of the hutterite colonies had any hay problems either.

But it made good 6 oclock news and you folks all ate it right up.

The media knows how to milk the public.

   

I base my political opinions on non-editorialized news (which is very hard to find). There are people on both sides of the political spectrum who do this too (make informed decisions on issues). That is not the type of voter I am talking about... Consider the uneducated / uninterested person who sees / reads / listens to an editorialized story, and takes it at face value. The media, being concerned with ratings, (or in the case of some media, satisfying their pro-Liberal owner's demands on content), the media gives easy answers, guessing that the public wants to hear. The Liberals parrot these easy answers and the media loves them for it (as if words were more important than actions). Unbalanced stories (based on editorialized spin) are far too common, and it is currently "in" to bash the Conservatives, regardless of the merits of the story.

Example, look at how much attention is being paid to the Conservatives in the Grewal tapes story, and how little is directed at the Liberals. It takes two to tango, but the media unquestioningly accepts the Liberal spin, instead of criticizing both sides for this nasty incident. That is what I call a Liberal bias within the media.

   

I'm not going to defend Fox news, because I've never seen it. I watch Canadian media, and there are very few (I can only think of two) balanced voices. What I want from the media is uneditorialized news; the presentation of facts with all sides having their views presented for the audience to draw their own conclusions. Controversy should be based on content (like evidence given under oath at a judicial inquiry), not political spin (CPC and BQ both criticizing the Liberals record).

I will correct your last sentance:
People will watch the editorialized spin that they like seeing the most.

Conservatives are no different. I think our political system would greatly benefit from a media which had less power in creating public opinion. Once you editorialize a story, it is no longer news...

   

But it's more rating-grabbing. Ratings Ratings Ratings!

It'd be hard to be completed unbiased.... they show a bias as soon as they decide what is 'news-worthy', what the headlines are, etc etc...

   

That's my point exactly! What's popular is "news", regardless of merit. How do you fight this?

   

Read/listen to several different sources which have different supposed biases. Combine the two, and whatever overlaps, take as information, and whatever doesn't, throw out as biased, or at least unconfirmed.

   

No lets put it this way, it's not what they speak it's the people that are speaking it that you've got a problem with that's pretty obvious.

   

Just curious- is there really city rivalry like this in Canada? Or is this just some wacky thread?

   

Yeah thank f**k for those oil prices

   

You should be in Calgary when the Edmonton oilers play the flames.
It's called "the battle of Alberta" for a reason,of course the media hype it up to the point of allmost riots on the red mile.

   

They're really is. Vancouver hates everybody else, Calgary and Edmonton hate Vancouver and the rest. Calgary hates Edmonton, vice versa. Ottawa hates Toronto, Montreal hates Toronto and everyone else, Toronto hates Montreal and Ottawa.(This is for hockey)

   

Everyone loves Halifax

   

Nahh your city lost the WHJC....J/K

   

Another uninformed Canadian,do you think that stuff just jumps out of the ground like it did on the Beverly hillbillies?
Albertans make the gas industry happen and not the other way around.

oh....most rigs here drill for gas and not oil,there is a difference you know.

   

Can't we all just get along? LOL...

The thing that a lot of conservatives in Alberta always forget is that the conservatives rule this province the same way that the Liberals rule this country. Klein struts around like a king and does whatever he wants, because he KNOWS that Edmonton (where the Opposition is ALWAYS centred) with 1/3 of the population only has 20% of the seats in the Legislature, while the farmers (maybe 25% of the population) have half of the seats, and the other 30% are in Calgary or other municipalities that are Tory strongholds. Personally to me, bitching about a majority lording it over a minority is very hypocritical, but thats the conservatives here in Canada for you.

As for the claim that 'the left wing controls the media', that is totally bull$hit. Canwest owns one of the largest media conglomerations in the country, with coast to coast newspapers and TV stations. Ever hear of Global? Check out Canada.com for a 'fair and balanced' take on affairs in Canada. Then there's the National Post, and about 10 different Sun papers that are more right wing than Rush Limbaugh.

Does the CBC have a left wing slant. Yes, it does. Same with the Globe & Mail, but I don't think that balances the Canwest empire.

Besides, I thought this thread was about trying to figure out why the rest of the country doesn't much care for Toronto.

Basically, the reason a lot of Westerners don't like Toronto is because everything is Toronto, Toronto, Toronto all the time. Remember the blackout in 2003? Well, that same day, a huge fire threatened the town of Banff, but did it make the news? Nope. I guess 12 million Easterners without A/C is much more important. Now, I'm not saying the blackout wasn't important, but a town of 5,000+ in Canada's FIRST National Nark threatened by forest fire is pretty important too.

Same with the aforementioned Toronto Sports network. If it comes down to a choice between televising a game in Toronto over Edmonton or Calgary, TO wins out all the time. There have been tons of times when I couldn't watch a game important to a playoff race with Edmonton or Calgary and got to watch a meaingless game between Toronto and Nashville or some other crappy team. Is this right? Hardly, but that's why I watch Sportsnet now, which has a channel dedicated to the Prairies.

Now I don't hate Toronto at all, but being an Edmontonian or Calgarian is like being a Canadian overseas. You watch the news or read the paper and light up when they mention Canada. The only time they seem to mention either city is when there is a disaster or Klein says something stupid (which lately is a pretty common occurrence).

Vancouver almost as much press as Toronto but never seems to throw it back in our faces the way TO always does. Look at McGuinty, he whines and bitches and gets $5 billion from the Feds. Does anyone think Alberta could do the same? Not likely!

Same with elections. The Liberals write off the entire province as a Refom/Alliance/Conservative stronghold, but if they ran some decent candidates here in Edmonton, they might actually get a few extra seats. Do they? Hell no, they put all their focus on Ontario and TO. As far as Toronto is concerned, the election is over once they've voted. It's one of the big reasons a lot of Westerners want a Triple E senate. They want a voice in the government that runs things, not to be some 'colony' exploited for the benefit of the rest of the country.

Basically, my thoughts on this are that most Westerners feel neglected and taken advantage of by the bigwigs in the East, just like many Midwesterners in the USA.

   

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