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This is why I don't understand why we have to import chinese wrokers for this new mine. Mining jobs pay very well--averaging $100K/year.

   

People need to take responsibility for their own future instead of expecting someone else to do so for them.
As noted in andys article there is a gross mismatch between peeps education/educational goals, and the skills required for the jobs to fill them.

Todays job seekers don't want to get their hands dirty. Hence the strong need for trades. $30.00-$45.00/hr starting wage + benefits!

Martin and Saturn hit the nail right on the head.Reaearch your future & go where the jobs are!

http://www.canadianliving.com/life/work ... d_more.php

   

Canadians don't want those jobs, they all want to work at Starbucks.

   

A lot of Canadians don't want to work those kind of jobs because they're dangerous and they're filthy. I work with welders. I don't begrudge any of them their $200K a year if they're fitting out their own rig at a huge cost to themselves and lying down a half-foot deep in mud and slush to weld up a pipe. I usually stand there and monitor them and I know for a fact that I'm no where near willing, or capable, of doing what they do for a living, and that's after being in this industry for almost 20 years myself. And the vast majority of other people aren't either.

Trades need training and mental commitment for anyone to succeed in them. Just because there are more trade jobs right now than white-collar ones doesn't necessarily mean that everyone and anyone if able to do them.

   

That must explain it. Young Canadians are all coddled, lazy bums.

   

Agreed. Canadians are wimps. We need lots more Chinese. The key to Canadian ecoinomic sustainability is to get as many Chinese as we can over here working for peanuts.

   

That wasn't the point and in no way am I trying to justify bringing in foreign workers, a policy which I've consistently opposed on these boards. Quit being facetious and stop distorting what I was trying to say.

   

That does explain it! [B-o]

   

Youth have this illusion that you pick a career, go to school and jump into a job that's in your desired career fresh outta school.

It's never been like this. Ever.

Sure, it works for some people, but for the majority of people, you end up working odd jobs to get some experience and perhaps then, you'll get into your desired career.

   

Send your kids to university!
What better way to prepare them for real life than to saddle them with an impossible debt load?

   

Hmmm, flat rate without a minimum amount of hours paid should definitely be outlawed.
Casual nursing jobs (without a guaranteed (minimum) amount of hours) should definitely be a thing of the past.

   

Yes I am and like young people leaving school for the first time this is my first time seeking civilian employment in almost 30 years. Very similar circumstances.



Another reason to move to where the work is rather than sit and wait for the work to come to you.



Look outside Ottawa and Toronto, nothing but minimum wage jobs or jobs that pay a little better but want 10+ years experience and they DON'T include military experience.

   

The problem isn't going to university - the problem is what kids take in university.

I know because I made the mistake of taking what I liked instead of what would get me a career.

I don't know the rates now, but when I went, somewhere between half and two-thirds of all students were taking general degrees (Arts, Science or Business). Those general degrees are almost useless in this day and age, simply because they aren't specialized enough. About the only way they are worthwhile is if you are using them as a springboard to an advanced degree (Masters of PhD) or a professional degree (medicine, pharmacy, engineering, etc).

I went to university with about two dozen friends straight from high school - the ones who are the most successful were the ones who became engineers, doctors and pharmacists, while those who took a basic degree and stopped are not.

I guarantee that just about anyone who gets his MD or PEng or Pharmacy License will not lack for work in the future. The ones who have difficulty finding jobs are general BAs, BScs and BComms - in this economy, you need to specialize, not be a jack-of-all-trades.

The one thing the trades have going for them over lots of white collar jobs that have university education backgrounds is that they are more difficult to outsource.

You can't get a plumber from India to unplug your toilet over the phone, or a welder to spot weld a line over the phone either. Same goes for nurses, electricians, pipefitters and lots of other trades.

Sure, companies can bring in foreign labourers to help out, but they have to prove that they can't find that skill here in Canada first. Even when the government does finally allow companies to bring in a few workers, it's a drop in the bucket compared to overall needs of industry (3000 foreign workers is but a drop in the bucket of Alberta's labour needs).

   

It would be nice if employers that are short on skilled people spend more effort on training new employees.

   

There really should be more work put into outlining to students where the current job needs are. It can't just be something that happens at the start of your higher education/trades training. It has to be continuous because needs spike and wane from year to year. Also outlining /where/ those jobs will be needed would also be helpful. It's no small task to lay down roots someplace and then find out you need to live in another province/city just to work in the field you trained for.

I think some focus on offering focused retraining programs for those underemployed in regions where a particular trade or skill is needed instead of bringing in foreign workers would be better for the country as a whole.

   

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