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Tricks @ Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:09 pm

Tricks Tricks:
Abbas Abbas:
oh by the way, Muslims cannot lie so If I am pretending to be Muslim because I envy Islam then I wouldn't be doing a very good job of envying it. I am who I say I am, want proof, all you have to do is ask. :)
Muslims cannot lie? Then Osama Bin Laden can't lie repeatedly about taking part in 9/11... LOL
I am interested in hearing what he says about this..

   



Abbas @ Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:09 pm

Tricks Tricks:
Abbas Abbas:
oh by the way, Muslims cannot lie so If I am pretending to be Muslim because I envy Islam then I wouldn't be doing a very good job of envying it. I am who I say I am, want proof, all you have to do is ask. :)
Muslims cannot lie? Then Osama Bin Laden can't lie repeatedly about taking part in 9/11... LOL


Lol, you want to start with that subject again. I know you are dieing to talk about 9/11 and you will get the chance. Let me deal with the morons first (hwacker), once I have brought the human out of him, you will have your debate.

   



hwacker @ Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:09 pm

[align=center]Al-taqiyya[/align]



Al-taqiyya and dissimulation are words used for a practice of Muslims blatantly lying to non-Muslims. All but some of the most fundamental Muslims consider the act of Al-taqiyya or lying to non-Muslims to be a good work. This is very important when one remembers that, in Islam, salvation is determined by good works. This means that a Muslim lying to a non-Muslim is that Muslim doing a good work to earn salvation. It is almost equivalent to a Christian accepting Jesus as his savior. One of the big differences is that a Christian only needs to accept Jesus as his savior once to become saved forever but a Muslim must do his good works consistently and repeatedly to earn his salvation with the except of the greatest work of dying while fighting non-Muslims.

This is particularly important when one realizes that the only work which can guarantee salvation for a Muslim is to wage war against and kill non-Muslims or at least support those who do wage war against and kill non-Muslims. It is only logical that to lie in support of a war against non-Muslims could guarantee salvation for a Muslim because it would be considered supporting the war. This is a very powerful motivation for any Muslim to lie to any non-Muslim for any reason but especially when concerning any war or military effort against non-Muslims.

I have learned that, for this reason, it is very common practice for Muslims, especially leaders, to lie about the war against non-Muslims. These lies come in many forms such as denying that Islam is a war against non-Muslims, that the Koran teaches salvation through fighting and killing non-Muslims, feigning sympathy for the US concerning 9/11, or Muslim countries denying that they have military intentions against Israel, the US, or other non-Muslim countries.

This raises a number or questions. Are the Muslim peace protestors in the US actually using Al-taqiyya or dissimulation to earn their salvation by lying and trying to interfere with the US and Israel's efforts to defend themselves? Is the Muslim sympathy for the US concerning 9/11 Al-taqiyya earning the salvation of the Muslims by feigning sympathy for the US? Are the Muslim leaders and official speakers using Al-taqiyya to earn salvation by lying to the US media about them fighting because they are "being oppressed by Israel" when there are plenty of Muslims who are citizens in Israel, have good jobs, have their own prosperous businesses, who vote, and are even in the Israeli government?

I recently watched a ABC 20/20 news show by Barbara Walters where she went to Saudi Arabia to confront different people there about text which had been uncovered in public school books which taught hatred and murder of non-Muslims but specifically Jews. I watched as every Muslim male and almost every Muslim female she sat down with to interview blatantly lied about what the Koran says concerning war, hatred, and murdering towards the Jews. Not one of them told the truth. This was clearly Al-taqiyya.

Interestingly, she kept querying about certain terms which stated that Jews would hide behind the trees and the trees would call out to the Muslims, "A Jew is hiding behind me, come and kill him." Not one of the Muslims interviewed told her about the Muslim prophesy concerning the end times (see my page "Koran and Bible Prophesy") where it is said that the Jews and Christians will hide behind the trees and rocks and that the trees and rocks will cry out, "A Jew or a Christian is hiding behind me, come and kill him." Instead, they ALL lied to her about Islam being a religion of peace except for three young radicals who kind of half admitted that Islam and the Koran have an agenda of war and murder. But even they were very careful to tone the militant talk down from what the Koran really says and is preached by the orthodox or fundamentalist Muslims.

It should be noted that I have read on some Muslim sites that a few more fundamental Muslim sites do not commit dissimulation, are open about the warrior mentality of Islam, and are proud that they do not dissemble or lie. But my understanding is that this is only the most "radical" or orthodox Muslims. It seems that the vast majority of Muslims are actually proud that they do dissemble or lie. The problem is, how can you tell which ones are not lying to you if you don't know the Koran and Islam? Basically, you can't believe the few because of the many. It is my opinion that the only Muslims a non-Muslim can believe about anything are the fundamentalist Muslims who openly admit that Islam is a warrior religion and that they are required to destroy all non-Muslims. Even then, we need to be careful.

In summary, Al-taqiyya and dissimulation mean that no non-Muslim can believe anything told to them by any Muslim especially if it has to do with the Koran's perpetual Jihad against all non-Muslims. For that Muslim to lie to you is for that Muslim to do a good work towards earning salvation.

   



Tricks @ Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:10 pm

Abbas Abbas:
Tricks Tricks:
Abbas Abbas:
oh by the way, Muslims cannot lie so If I am pretending to be Muslim because I envy Islam then I wouldn't be doing a very good job of envying it. I am who I say I am, want proof, all you have to do is ask. :)
Muslims cannot lie? Then Osama Bin Laden can't lie repeatedly about taking part in 9/11... LOL


Lol, you want to start with that subject again. I know you are dieing to talk about 9/11 and you will get the chance. Let me deal with the morons first (hwacker), once I have brought the human out of him, you will have your debate.
Dodge. You said muslims can not lie, and Osama Bin Laden follows that bloody book to a T, so he can't lie....correct?

   



fatbasturd @ Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:11 pm

Abbas Abbas:
fatbasturd fatbasturd:
Abbas Abbas:
fatbasturd fatbasturd:
Abbas Abbas:
fatbasturd fatbasturd:
you are not a flamer....you actually have a fair handle on tact and wit....that eludes some of the members here it seems.


eludes? haha, I am not CNN, I am only presenting my opinion most of the time and if people agree with it, its ok. You can't have everyone on your side.
$1:
can't have everyone on your side.
Why would you want to , this is the interweb the world of make believe.
So some times it's just plain fun to kick the shit bucket over.....and for all i know you could very well be a polish dude who has Islam envy. :wink:


I totally agree, just like you could me a Muslim fellow, trying to get a kick out of pretending to be anti-Islam. This interweb is that opens peoples eyes, its not only an entertainment channel. We learn from it and I will admit, internet has taught me more then they taught me in school. The beautiful thing about this "interweb" is that we can state our opinion and not be prosecuted for it. This is the true meaning of freedom of speech, some like it, some don't.
$1:
I totally agree, just like you could me a Muslim fellow, trying to get a kick out of pretending to be anti-Islam.
That statement could very well be true :D That is if you could find even one refference to me being anti-Islam in my five thousand plus posts.
The world is a hard enough place to get along in as it is....with out someone picking on you because of your race and religion(asshole come in every size shape and color) the end :wink:


Couldn't agree any more. You see it how I see it. I apologize for the anti-Islamic remark, if you read it again, its only a hypothetical remark, its not directed at you.

for everything else, Thank You.
You are welcome...and i know the remark was not directed on a personal level at me.
I wanted you to see that not everyone around this board is so closed minded......as a matter of fact most are pretty good members, even some of the CONS :D

   



hwacker @ Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:14 pm

Abbas Abbas:
Tricks Tricks:
Abbas Abbas:
oh by the way, Muslims cannot lie so If I am pretending to be Muslim because I envy Islam then I wouldn't be doing a very good job of envying it. I am who I say I am, want proof, all you have to do is ask. :)
Muslims cannot lie? Then Osama Bin Laden can't lie repeatedly about taking part in 9/11... LOL


Lol, you want to start with that subject again. I know you are dieing to talk about 9/11 and you will get the chance. Let me deal with the morons first (hwacker), once I have brought the human out of him, you will have your debate.


Oh STFU already. People are just picking on you because they know you'll stick your smelly sock in your mouth like you continually do. It’s not admiration it’s disgust.

   



fatbasturd @ Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:18 pm

[stupid] booyah!

   



Abbas @ Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:18 pm

Tricks Tricks:
Abbas Abbas:
Tricks Tricks:
Abbas Abbas:
oh by the way, Muslims cannot lie so If I am pretending to be Muslim because I envy Islam then I wouldn't be doing a very good job of envying it. I am who I say I am, want proof, all you have to do is ask. :)
Muslims cannot lie? Then Osama Bin Laden can't lie repeatedly about taking part in 9/11... LOL


Lol, you want to start with that subject again. I know you are dieing to talk about 9/11 and you will get the chance. Let me deal with the morons first (hwacker), once I have brought the human out of him, you will have your debate.
Dodge. You said muslims can not lie, and Osama Bin Laden follows that bloody book to a T, so he can't lie....correct?


And, you know this because you are Osama's right hand man? Deception is a deadly tool. (yes, I have said this before)

   



Abbas @ Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:20 pm

$1:
You are welcome...and i know the remark was not directed on a personal level at me.
I wanted you to see that not everyone around this board is so closed minded......as a matter of fact most are pretty good members, even some of the CONS Very Happy


I really appreciate that. I realize some are close minded but most just pretend to be. When its time for the right thing to happen, they will raise their voice regardless of who cares and who doesn't. Its a good thing found in all Canadians.

   



Tricks @ Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:21 pm

Abbas Abbas:
Tricks Tricks:
Abbas Abbas:
Tricks Tricks:
Abbas Abbas:
oh by the way, Muslims cannot lie so If I am pretending to be Muslim because I envy Islam then I wouldn't be doing a very good job of envying it. I am who I say I am, want proof, all you have to do is ask. :)
Muslims cannot lie? Then Osama Bin Laden can't lie repeatedly about taking part in 9/11... LOL


Lol, you want to start with that subject again. I know you are dieing to talk about 9/11 and you will get the chance. Let me deal with the morons first (hwacker), once I have brought the human out of him, you will have your debate.
Dodge. You said muslims can not lie, and Osama Bin Laden follows that bloody book to a T, so he can't lie....correct?


And, you know this because you are Osama's right hand man? Deception is a deadly tool. (yes, I have said this before)
Well lets see, he swears by it in every sense. Is well known by authorities he is a devoted muslim. Kills people in it's name. Just answer the fucking question, oh wait. You talked yourself into a corner. You can't. Either way, your screwed, Checkmate biatch!

   



Abbas @ Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:21 pm

$1:
Oh STFU already. People are just picking on you because they know you'll stick your smelly sock in your mouth like you continually do. It’s not admiration it’s disgust.


Haha, you know you love me hwacker, if I wasn't around, everybody else would treat you like spam. I give you a reason to live my friend so live, while it lasts.

   



Abbas @ Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:23 pm

Tricks Tricks:
Abbas Abbas:
Tricks Tricks:
Abbas Abbas:
Tricks Tricks:
Abbas Abbas:
oh by the way, Muslims cannot lie so If I am pretending to be Muslim because I envy Islam then I wouldn't be doing a very good job of envying it. I am who I say I am, want proof, all you have to do is ask. :)
Muslims cannot lie? Then Osama Bin Laden can't lie repeatedly about taking part in 9/11... LOL


Lol, you want to start with that subject again. I know you are dieing to talk about 9/11 and you will get the chance. Let me deal with the morons first (hwacker), once I have brought the human out of him, you will have your debate.
Dodge. You said muslims can not lie, and Osama Bin Laden follows that bloody book to a T, so he can't lie....correct?


And, you know this because you are Osama's right hand man? Deception is a deadly tool. (yes, I have said this before)
Well lets see, he swears by it in every sense. Is well known by authorities he is a devoted muslim. Kills people in it's name. Just answer the fucking question, oh wait. You talked yourself into a corner. You can't. Either way, your screwed, Checkmate biatch!


I have seen many men swear by their religion and still not follow it. Hitler did everyone one of those things that you mentioned so stop trying to make Osama look like an angel from Islam. I will answer your "fucking" question, just wait a bit, I don't have time or the ability to answer 7 threads at a time.

   



hwacker @ Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:33 pm

Abbas Abbas:
$1:
Oh STFU already. People are just picking on you because they know you'll stick your smelly sock in your mouth like you continually do. It’s not admiration it’s disgust.


Haha, you know you love me hwacker, if I wasn't around, everybody else would treat you like spam. I give you a reason to live my friend so live, while it lasts.


I hope that wasn't a threat.

   



fatbasturd @ Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:35 pm

hwacker hwacker:
Abbas Abbas:
$1:
Oh STFU already. People are just picking on you because they know you'll stick your smelly sock in your mouth like you continually do. It’s not admiration it’s disgust.


Haha, you know you love me hwacker, if I wasn't around, everybody else would treat you like spam. I give you a reason to live my friend so live, while it lasts.


I hope that wasn't a threat.
Take your meds dude...it will stop the bugs from crawling over you.

   



Abbas @ Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:46 pm

hwacker hwacker:
Abbas Abbas:
$1:
Oh STFU already. People are just picking on you because they know you'll stick your smelly sock in your mouth like you continually do. It’s not admiration it’s disgust.


Haha, you know you love me hwacker, if I wasn't around, everybody else would treat you like spam. I give you a reason to live my friend so live, while it lasts.


I hope that wasn't a threat.


Are you seriously that insecure hwacker. Are you joining up with thefactremain's visions and voices that he hears? First sociopath, now insane? come on man, you have more sense then that.

Plus, I would never ever ever ever risk doing something like that. Killing you would be like spitting in the fact of my religion because we are not allowed to kill animals for pleasure.

   



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