How about $60 for all of Toronto?
Donny_Brasco @ Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:22 pm
$1:
My people, the Mississaugas of New Credit First Nation, are still owed fair compensation for the land on which Toronto now sits. Not only Toronto, but also a good chunk of the Greater Toronto Area — nearly 101,600 hectares (251,000 acres), from Ashbridge's Bay to Etobicoke Creek, extending 45 kilometres (28 miles) north.
Our land claim for the Toronto area dates back to at least 1787, when British negotiators met with my ancestors to discuss what the British called the "Toronto Purchase." There was, and is, considerable confusion surrounding this term.
The Toronto Purchase confirmed the boundaries of an earlier land survey of what is now a large part of the GTA, a survey that turned out later to be inaccurate. The British took title to the land through this purchase.
The purchase price? Ten shillings (equal to 17 cents then, today, adjusted for inflation, about $60).
Canada's courts have recognized that "deals" like the Toronto Purchase were ridiculously inequitable, and a process is in place to negotiate with the federal government in situations like these to right the balance. We Mississaugas recognize that the Toronto Islands are an important part of a great world city in a great country.
Our land claim for the Toronto area dates back to at least 1787, when British negotiators met with my ancestors to discuss what the British called the "Toronto Purchase." There was, and is, considerable confusion surrounding this term.
The Toronto Purchase confirmed the boundaries of an earlier land survey of what is now a large part of the GTA, a survey that turned out later to be inaccurate. The British took title to the land through this purchase.
The purchase price? Ten shillings (equal to 17 cents then, today, adjusted for inflation, about $60).
Canada's courts have recognized that "deals" like the Toronto Purchase were ridiculously inequitable, and a process is in place to negotiate with the federal government in situations like these to right the balance. We Mississaugas recognize that the Toronto Islands are an important part of a great world city in a great country.
Although attention is now focused on Caledonia, the Mississaugas of New Credit First Nation have a long-standing land claim for Toronto and a good part of the GTA, writes Bryan LaForme
You know what really makes me proud to live in Canada?
They look out for the little people. Obviously someone tried to cheat these people over 200 years ago and the courts recognize that cheating is not the way to take people's land.
Too bad so many of our white brothers knew little about honesty and integrity and so much about greed.
If they had purchased the land fairly in the first place we would not have these problems today.
Hwacker, I have a half case of beer and $100 bucks for your house...hows about a trade. Oh, I forgot, you still live with your mom. Never mind, I don't rip off old ladies. Now put your white sheets in the wash and get back to me on this.
Blue_Nose @ Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:25 pm
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
Never mind, I don't rip off old ladies.
Good to know that you think of these land claims as ripping people off - should be a little more careful about letting your true feelings show like that.
RUEZ @ Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:28 pm
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
Too bad so many of our white brothers knew little about honesty and integrity and so much about greed.
Get a job racist.
ziggy @ Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:32 pm
The author of that article may be a bit biased.
$1:
Bryan LaForme is Chief of the Mississaugas of New Credit First Nation.
That was over 200 years ago,maybe you folks should have had some better negotiators.
No matter how much land or cash whitey gives you it will never be enough,you will just go back and interpert the negotiated settlements differently again when the cash runs out or the land has been desecrated to the point that it's useless like most of the reserves in Southern Alberta.
That land in Caledonia is wanted for more then "sacred" ground,more like the casino that the natives had planned for it. I wont even mention all the illegal cig smuggling.
Jaime_Souviens @ Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:40 pm
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
$1:
My people, the Mississaugas of New Credit First Nation, are still owed fair compensation for the land on which Toronto now sits. Not only Toronto, but also a good chunk of the Greater Toronto Area — nearly 101,600 hectares (251,000 acres), from Ashbridge's Bay to Etobicoke Creek, extending 45 kilometres (28 miles) north.
Our land claim for the Toronto area dates back to at least 1787, when British negotiators met with my ancestors to discuss what the British called the "Toronto Purchase." There was, and is, considerable confusion surrounding this term.
The Toronto Purchase confirmed the boundaries of an earlier land survey of what is now a large part of the GTA, a survey that turned out later to be inaccurate. The British took title to the land through this purchase.
The purchase price? Ten shillings (equal to 17 cents then, today, adjusted for inflation, about $60).
Our land claim for the Toronto area dates back to at least 1787, when British negotiators met with my ancestors to discuss what the British called the "Toronto Purchase." There was, and is, considerable confusion surrounding this term.
The Toronto Purchase confirmed the boundaries of an earlier land survey of what is now a large part of the GTA, a survey that turned out later to be inaccurate. The British took title to the land through this purchase.
The purchase price? Ten shillings (equal to 17 cents then, today, adjusted for inflation, about $60).
Simply untrue.
$1:
In the Toronto Purchase the Mississaugas sold 250,808 acres (101,528 hectares) of land to the British. The price agreed upon was 149 barrels of goods and a small amount of cash, the total value being 1,700 British pounds or about $202,674 in 1999 Canadian dollars. The goods included 2,000 gun flints, 24 brass kettles, 10 dozen mirrors, 2 dozen laced hats, a bale of flowered flannel, and 96 gallons of rum.
How much was 1,700 (1788) British pounds worth? If that's a third of the salary of the First Lord of the Treasury or Prime Minister of England, and the Prime Minister today makes £124,837, then a third of that would be £41,612. http://www.parliament.uk/documents/upload/m06.pdf That would be $85,100 CDN. But there are lots of other ways to calculate differneces over time, including the Retail Price Index, the GDP Deflator, Average Earnings, Per Capita GDP, and fluctuations in GDP.http://eh.net/hmit/ukcompare/
But even if that amount seems small, you'd have to consider what that amount would be today had it been prudently invested for 230 years, on the one hand,...
and the fact that you're valuing just the land of Toronto, not the city on it.
How much, for example, would it cost to buy 280,000 acres on Georgian Bay today? A couple million? Maybe less? After all, buying land in bulk reduces the dollar per acre cost.
But anyway, this kind of story--$60 for Toronto-- is just the usual bull story that only catches the attention of the unintelligent, and leaves them with a vague feeling of being cheated, when of course, it's all nonsense.
ziggy @ Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:47 pm
An interesting read.
Caledonia sacred ground?
Donny_Brasco @ Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:49 pm
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
But anyway, this kind of story--$60 for Toronto-- is just the usual bull story that only catches the attention of the unintelligent, and leaves them with a vague feeling of being cheated, when of course, it's all nonsense.
It got your attention didn't it?
Anyways, really good post. I totally agree with you. I guess the courts will have to decide who's side is correct.
Jaime, that is the most intelligent response to a post I've ever had.
Zeipher @ Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:51 pm
The author is owed nothing, as he never owned the land in the first place. I hope we're including the billions of dollars spent on reserves, etc when we figure out who's being screwed over time.
But hey, if Caledonia means anything, maybe blockading Younge Street will get them some more money.
ziggy @ Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:52 pm
Is THIS true?
Donny_Brasco @ Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:03 pm
ziggy ziggy:
Is THIS true?
Uhh, no.
Well, bits of truth mixed with fear mongering mixed with "fill in the blanks with your best right wing anti-Mohawk guess".
Nice to know what the extremists on the other side are thinking. To bad it is so poorly written. If I wrote like that (Tman1 style) no one would ever read my posts.
Actually never mind that last comment. It was well written and Tman1 would be proud. (Written so well that no one will bother to read it).
Jaime_Souviens @ Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:04 pm
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
But anyway, this kind of story--$60 for Toronto-- is just the usual bull story that only catches the attention of the unintelligent, and leaves them with a vague feeling of being cheated, when of course, it's all nonsense.
It got your attention didn't it?
Anyways, really good post. I totally agree with you. I guess the courts will have to decide who's side is correct.
Jaime, that is the most intelligent response to a post I've ever had.
That's because it's usually someone else responding to your posts.
Donny_Brasco @ Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:04 pm
Zeipher Zeipher:
But hey, if Caledonia means anything, maybe blockading Younge Street will get them some more money.
You can bet on it.
ziggy @ Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:06 pm
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
ziggy ziggy:
Is THIS true?
Uhh, no.
Well, bits of truth mixed with fear mongering mixed with "fill in the blanks with your best right wing anti-Mohawk guess".
Nice to know what the extremists on the other side are thinking. To bad it is so poorly written. If I wrote like that (Tman1 style) no one would ever read my posts.
Actually never mind that last comment. It was well written and Tman1 would be proud. (Written so well that no one will bother to read it).
Just trying to see both sides,anytime one of these land claims surfaces you can usually find a motive and greeds right in there,dont care what color you are.
ziggy @ Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:11 pm
The way I read the article is that there is some Mowhawks that want to do things the peacefull way and then there is the faction of thugs that are running the show.
Donny_Brasco @ Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:12 pm
ziggy ziggy:
The way I read the article is that there is some Mowhawks that want to do things the peacefull way and then there is the faction of thugs that are running the show.
Sounds a little to me like CKA forums...except the thugs around here don't run the show.
Or else I'd have been banned years ago.
I guess society is just like that in general. Lots of people who want to do whats right and a vocal few who want to do whats white...
