There should be more chiefs like this guy.
PJB @ Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:05 am
Biblical_Christian Biblical_Christian:
PJB PJB:
Donny...I never said anything about wanting you to go away. I totally agree with what Chief Louie says. It is time for the natives of this country to stop depending on government funding for everything they do. We all know that every federal department in this country is so full of beauracrats that nothing ever gets done efficiently. Too many natives love that promise of instant wealth through these treaty land agreements that they fail to see the economic potential that those monies present. They would rather have the shiny new truck rather than a promise of a life for their children. Too many figure that once they get their little windfall that when it runs out they can just go ask for more because someone told them 'they were entitled to it'.
The story or excuse that I am merely a squatter in this country holds no water with me as I was BORN here!
If you think you have a case take it to the federal government, I'm sure stephen harper would LOVE to hear it. So would I. No sense crying and bawling all over the CKA. But it looks good on you.The story or excuse that I am merely a squatter in this country holds no water with me as I was BORN here!
What are you talking about. What case would I have. I merely agreed with Donny regarding my agreement with what Chief Louie said. You seem to be the one that continually wants to prove your entitlement.
I work, pay taxes, vote, and try to bring my kids up right. I want them to realize that they have to earn their lot in life and not to become dependant upon anyone.
Biblical_Christian @ Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:43 pm
PJB PJB:
Biblical_Christian Biblical_Christian:
PJB PJB:
Donny...I never said anything about wanting you to go away. I totally agree with what Chief Louie says. It is time for the natives of this country to stop depending on government funding for everything they do. We all know that every federal department in this country is so full of beauracrats that nothing ever gets done efficiently. Too many natives love that promise of instant wealth through these treaty land agreements that they fail to see the economic potential that those monies present. They would rather have the shiny new truck rather than a promise of a life for their children. Too many figure that once they get their little windfall that when it runs out they can just go ask for more because someone told them 'they were entitled to it'.
The story or excuse that I am merely a squatter in this country holds no water with me as I was BORN here!
If you think you have a case take it to the federal government, I'm sure stephen harper would LOVE to hear it. So would I. No sense crying and bawling all over the CKA. But it looks good on you.The story or excuse that I am merely a squatter in this country holds no water with me as I was BORN here!
What are you talking about. What case would I have. I merely agreed with Donny regarding my agreement with what Chief Louie said. You seem to be the one that continually wants to prove your entitlement.
I work, pay taxes, vote, and try to bring my kids up right. I want them to realize that they have to earn their lot in life and not to become dependant upon anyone.
PJB @ Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:48 pm
BC...I am not implying anything. Nothing for you to read between the lines or misconscrue. I am merely stating that I am not making my millions off of so-called stolen resources.
I pay my taxes and, although I may bitch from time to time, which is something we all do, I realize that my taxes pay for programs that all Canadians can benefit from. ie. Infrastructure, policing, health, etc.
Biblical_Christian @ Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:01 pm
PJB PJB:
'Indian Time doesn't cut it' for innovative chief with on-the-edge humour
ROY MacGREGOR
From Thursday's Globe and Mail
E-mail Roy MacGregor | Read Bio | Latest Columns
FORT McMURRAY — The man with the PowerPoint presentation is miffed.
He is speaking to a large aboriginal conference and some of the attendees, including a few who hold high office, have straggled in.
“I can't stand people who are late,” he says into the microphone.
“Indian Time doesn't cut it.”
Some giggle, but no one is quite sure how far he is going to go. Just sit back and listen:
“My first rule for success is ‘Show up on time.' My No. 2 rule for success is follow Rule No. 1.”
“If your life sucks, it's because you suck.”
“Quit your sniffling.”
“Join the real world — go to school or get a job.”
“Get off of welfare. Get off your butt.”
He pauses, seeming to gauge whether he dare, then does.
“People often say to me, ‘How you doin'?' Geez — I'm working with Indians — what do you think?”
Now they are openly laughing ... applauding. Clarence Louie is everything that was advertised — and more.
“Our ancestors worked for a living,” he says. “So should you.”
He is, fortunately, aboriginal himself. If someone else stood up and said these things — the white columnist standing there with his mouth open, for example — “You'd be seen as a racist.” Instead, Chief Clarence Louie is seen, increasingly, as one of the most interesting and innovative native leaders in the country — even though he avoids national politics.
He has come here to Fort McMurray because the aboriginal community needs, desperately, to start talking about economic development and what all this multibillion-dollar oil madness might mean, for good and for bad.
Clarence Louie is chief — and CEO — of the Osoyoos Band in British Columbia's South Okanagan. He is 44 years old, though he looks like he would have been an infant when he began his remarkable 20-year-run as chief. He took a band that had been declared bankrupt and taken over by Indian Affairs and he has turned in into an inspiration.
In 2000, the band set a goal of becoming self-sufficient in five years. They're there.
The Osoyoos, 432 strong, own, among other things, a vineyard, a winery, a golf course and a tourist resort, and they are partners in the Baldy Mountain ski development. They have more businesses per capita than any first nation in Canada.
There are not only enough jobs for everyone, there are so many jobs being created that there are now members of 13 other tribal communities working for the Osoyoos. The little band contributes $40-million a year to the area economy.
Chief Louie is tough. He is as proud of the fact that his band fires its own people as well as hires them. He has his mottos pasted throughout the “Rez.” He believes there is “no such thing as consensus,” that there will always be those who disagree. And, he says, he is milquetoast compared to his own mother when it comes to how today's lazy aboriginal youth, almost exclusively male, should be dealt with.
“Rent a plane,” she told him, “and fly them all to Iraq. Dump 'em off and all the ones who make it back are keepers. Right on, Mom.”
The message he has brought here to the Chipewyan, Dene and Cree who live around the oil sands is equally direct: Get involved, create jobs — and meaningful jobs, not just “window dressing” for the oil companies.
“The biggest employer,” he says, “shouldn't be the band office.”
He also says the time has come to “get over it.” No more whining about 100-year-old failed experiments. No foolishly looking to the Queen to protect rights.
Louie says aboriginals here and along the Mackenzie Valley should not look at any sharing in development as “rocking-chair money” but as investment opportunity to create sustainable businesses. He wants them to move beyond entry-level jobs to real jobs they “earn” — all the way to the boardrooms. He wants to see “business manners” develop: showing up on time, working extra hours. The business lunch, he says, should be “drive through,” and then right back at it.
“You're going to lose your language and culture faster in poverty than you will in economic development,” he says to those who say he is ignoring tradition.
Tough talk, at times shocking talk given the audience, but on this day in this community, they took it — and, judging by the response, they loved it.
“Eighty per cent like what I have to say,” Louie says, “Twenty per cent don't. I always say to the 20 per cent, ‘Get over it. Chances are you're never going to see me again and I'm never going to see you again. Get some counselling.'”
The first step, he says, is all about leadership. He prides himself on being “a stay-home chief who looks after the potholes in his own backyard” and wastes no time “running around fighting 100-year-old battles.
“The biggest challenge will be how you treat your own people.
“Blaming government? That time is over.”
[email protected]
I understand what this chief is saying. I agree with him in 90% of the things he said . Take the reserve where I came from which I left about 27 years ago. They have been leaning towards self government for the last coupla years. They said "that is the only way, we can get that 'trust' money released. " no red tape. "Whatever money we get, we can invest it. They also realise once the money is all gone the (federal transfer fund) thats it if it has been spend, mispend, or used up too early. Thats it, the reserve is broke. They fully understand that.
ROY MacGREGOR
From Thursday's Globe and Mail
E-mail Roy MacGregor | Read Bio | Latest Columns
FORT McMURRAY — The man with the PowerPoint presentation is miffed.
He is speaking to a large aboriginal conference and some of the attendees, including a few who hold high office, have straggled in.
“I can't stand people who are late,” he says into the microphone.
“Indian Time doesn't cut it.”
Some giggle, but no one is quite sure how far he is going to go. Just sit back and listen:
“My first rule for success is ‘Show up on time.' My No. 2 rule for success is follow Rule No. 1.”
“If your life sucks, it's because you suck.”
“Quit your sniffling.”
“Join the real world — go to school or get a job.”
“Get off of welfare. Get off your butt.”
He pauses, seeming to gauge whether he dare, then does.
“People often say to me, ‘How you doin'?' Geez — I'm working with Indians — what do you think?”
Now they are openly laughing ... applauding. Clarence Louie is everything that was advertised — and more.
“Our ancestors worked for a living,” he says. “So should you.”
He is, fortunately, aboriginal himself. If someone else stood up and said these things — the white columnist standing there with his mouth open, for example — “You'd be seen as a racist.” Instead, Chief Clarence Louie is seen, increasingly, as one of the most interesting and innovative native leaders in the country — even though he avoids national politics.
He has come here to Fort McMurray because the aboriginal community needs, desperately, to start talking about economic development and what all this multibillion-dollar oil madness might mean, for good and for bad.
Clarence Louie is chief — and CEO — of the Osoyoos Band in British Columbia's South Okanagan. He is 44 years old, though he looks like he would have been an infant when he began his remarkable 20-year-run as chief. He took a band that had been declared bankrupt and taken over by Indian Affairs and he has turned in into an inspiration.
In 2000, the band set a goal of becoming self-sufficient in five years. They're there.
The Osoyoos, 432 strong, own, among other things, a vineyard, a winery, a golf course and a tourist resort, and they are partners in the Baldy Mountain ski development. They have more businesses per capita than any first nation in Canada.
There are not only enough jobs for everyone, there are so many jobs being created that there are now members of 13 other tribal communities working for the Osoyoos. The little band contributes $40-million a year to the area economy.
Chief Louie is tough. He is as proud of the fact that his band fires its own people as well as hires them. He has his mottos pasted throughout the “Rez.” He believes there is “no such thing as consensus,” that there will always be those who disagree. And, he says, he is milquetoast compared to his own mother when it comes to how today's lazy aboriginal youth, almost exclusively male, should be dealt with.
“Rent a plane,” she told him, “and fly them all to Iraq. Dump 'em off and all the ones who make it back are keepers. Right on, Mom.”
The message he has brought here to the Chipewyan, Dene and Cree who live around the oil sands is equally direct: Get involved, create jobs — and meaningful jobs, not just “window dressing” for the oil companies.
“The biggest employer,” he says, “shouldn't be the band office.”
He also says the time has come to “get over it.” No more whining about 100-year-old failed experiments. No foolishly looking to the Queen to protect rights.
Louie says aboriginals here and along the Mackenzie Valley should not look at any sharing in development as “rocking-chair money” but as investment opportunity to create sustainable businesses. He wants them to move beyond entry-level jobs to real jobs they “earn” — all the way to the boardrooms. He wants to see “business manners” develop: showing up on time, working extra hours. The business lunch, he says, should be “drive through,” and then right back at it.
“You're going to lose your language and culture faster in poverty than you will in economic development,” he says to those who say he is ignoring tradition.
Tough talk, at times shocking talk given the audience, but on this day in this community, they took it — and, judging by the response, they loved it.
“Eighty per cent like what I have to say,” Louie says, “Twenty per cent don't. I always say to the 20 per cent, ‘Get over it. Chances are you're never going to see me again and I'm never going to see you again. Get some counselling.'”
The first step, he says, is all about leadership. He prides himself on being “a stay-home chief who looks after the potholes in his own backyard” and wastes no time “running around fighting 100-year-old battles.
“The biggest challenge will be how you treat your own people.
“Blaming government? That time is over.”
[email protected]
Biblical_Christian @ Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:13 pm
Once the money is gone, whats next? Either lease the lands, which they will be able to do. Or sell it outright, that too, can be done. If the LAND is gone, it's to each his/her own, after that. Lol. I myself would like to see whats going tp happen.
Biblical_Christian @ Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:17 pm
Sorry CKA members. It kinda got lil ugly there a few times. I didn't start the mud slinging. He did. Ugghhh, I'm getting off for a while. I opoligise.
stratos @ Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:22 pm
Biblical_Christian Biblical_Christian:
J-Girl J-Girl:
Thank you for that Column you shared PJB...I found it very interesting and very true. I agree that it is time to stop blaming everyone else, including the government, for one's lack of motivation, poor upbringing, whatever the excuse may be and get out there and make the best of what we have to work with, as individuals.
I like Chief Louie and Roy MacGregor's attitudes about life and "the way it should be".
And Stratos.....the "politically correct" term to use changes all the time, so I don't think you need to apologize. On my status card...it states that "J-Girl is an Indian under the Indian Act.....", but that term is not used anymore....don't ask me what the correct one is.
I like Chief Louie and Roy MacGregor's attitudes about life and "the way it should be".
And Stratos.....the "politically correct" term to use changes all the time, so I don't think you need to apologize. On my status card...it states that "J-Girl is an Indian under the Indian Act.....", but that term is not used anymore....don't ask me what the correct one is.
Do you know that the NDN's of today actually came out of? Generational? Most or some of the people today has very deeply scarred from Child rape. Do you know what repercussions than can actually do? How it can totally wreck someones own life. To be stunted in every area of there lifes. i don't expect you to understand this one bit. I don't expect you to really care either cause it was the Europens that done the pedophilia acts on the DN defenseless children, CHILDREN.
Ok first off what is NDN and DN? These are terms I'm not familiar with. When did these child rapes happen? The pic you show looks to be from the 50's or early 60's. And sense it was the Europeans who did this should you not be going to court against them and not trying to blame the Canadian Gov. and it's people. The last time I looked at a map Canada was in the North America not Europe.
PJB @ Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:03 pm
Who started mudslinging...It sure wasn't me...I stated my opinion and did not insult anyone. My 'Landlord' disagreed with me and got mad.
Not surprising.
Virgil @ Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:09 pm
PJB PJB:
Virgil...You should do a google search for Chief Clarence Louie...You might learn something about your so called 100 year battle.
You are stuck on wants rather than needs.
You still believe that you are entitled to everything for nothing. You did not surrender your lands. Your forefathers did. I did not take your lands. Representatives from Great Britain negotiated some of those treaties.
You are quick to blame and slow to forgive.
We should all be so perfect and pious to see the errors of everyone else and our own personal perfection.
You are stuck on wants rather than needs.
You still believe that you are entitled to everything for nothing. You did not surrender your lands. Your forefathers did. I did not take your lands. Representatives from Great Britain negotiated some of those treaties.
You are quick to blame and slow to forgive.
We should all be so perfect and pious to see the errors of everyone else and our own personal perfection.
Our freedom and culture are more important than our survival, for without them, we live for nothing. What you call my "wants", I find more important than what you call my "needs".
I do not want everything for nothing, I want reperations from the nations who took aways from our nations, I want treaties to be kept, and treaties not written to be signed.
I don't know what forgiveness is, it is not a principle I live by. If someone takes from me, once I am repayed with a knowledge that it won't happen again, I treat the person as I would any other individual.
And you have not seen me place all blame on the Whites, for we too have a lot to work on. I have often commented on the need for new tribal structures (or modern versions of old ones), the lack of checks and balances results in a large amount of corruption in a number of communities.
And Camerontech, yes, that is exactly where I saw the signe. Do you know what that nation is called?
PJB @ Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:26 pm
Virgil Virgil:
PJB PJB:
Virgil...You should do a google search for Chief Clarence Louie...You might learn something about your so called 100 year battle.
You are stuck on wants rather than needs.
You still believe that you are entitled to everything for nothing. You did not surrender your lands. Your forefathers did. I did not take your lands. Representatives from Great Britain negotiated some of those treaties.
You are quick to blame and slow to forgive.
We should all be so perfect and pious to see the errors of everyone else and our own personal perfection.
You are stuck on wants rather than needs.
You still believe that you are entitled to everything for nothing. You did not surrender your lands. Your forefathers did. I did not take your lands. Representatives from Great Britain negotiated some of those treaties.
You are quick to blame and slow to forgive.
We should all be so perfect and pious to see the errors of everyone else and our own personal perfection.
Our freedom and culture are more important than our survival, for without them, we live for nothing. What you call my "wants", I find more important than what you call my "needs".
I do not want everything for nothing, I want reperations from the nations who took aways from our nations, I want treaties to be kept, and treaties not written to be signed.
I don't know what forgiveness is, it is not a principle I live by. If someone takes from me, once I am repayed with a knowledge that it won't happen again, I treat the person as I would any other individual.
And you have not seen me place all blame on the Whites, for we too have a lot to work on. I have often commented on the need for new tribal structures (or modern versions of old ones), the lack of checks and balances results in a large amount of corruption in a number of communities.
And Camerontech, yes, that is exactly where I saw the signe. Do you know what that nation is called?
How much money does it take for you to be 'repayed'? Where does it end?
Biblical_Christian @ Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:27 am
Ok first off what is NDN and DN? These are terms I'm not familiar with. When did these child rapes happen? The pic you show looks to be from the 50's or early 60's. And sense it was the Europeans who did this should you not be going to court against them and not trying to blame the Canadian Gov. and it's people. The last time I looked at a map Canada was in the North America not Europe.[/quote]You know what the facts are, come on. Don't be ignorant all your life.
Biblical_Christian @ Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:27 am
You know what the facts are, come on. Don't be ignorant all your life. Stratos.
Biblical_Christian @ Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:34 am
PJB PJB:
Virgil Virgil:
PJB PJB:
Virgil...You should do a google search for Chief Clarence Louie...You might learn something about your so called 100 year battle.
You are stuck on wants rather than needs.
You still believe that you are entitled to everything for nothing. You did not surrender your lands. Your forefathers did. I did not take your lands. Representatives from Great Britain negotiated some of those treaties.
You are quick to blame and slow to forgive.
We should all be so perfect and pious to see the errors of everyone else and our own personal perfection.
You are stuck on wants rather than needs.
You still believe that you are entitled to everything for nothing. You did not surrender your lands. Your forefathers did. I did not take your lands. Representatives from Great Britain negotiated some of those treaties.
You are quick to blame and slow to forgive.
We should all be so perfect and pious to see the errors of everyone else and our own personal perfection.
Our freedom and culture are more important than our survival, for without them, we live for nothing. What you call my "wants", I find more important than what you call my "needs".
I do not want everything for nothing, I want reperations from the nations who took aways from our nations, I want treaties to be kept, and treaties not written to be signed.
I don't know what forgiveness is, it is not a principle I live by. If someone takes from me, once I am repayed with a knowledge that it won't happen again, I treat the person as I would any other individual.
And you have not seen me place all blame on the Whites, for we too have a lot to work on. I have often commented on the need for new tribal structures (or modern versions of old ones), the lack of checks and balances results in a large amount of corruption in a number of communities.
And Camerontech, yes, that is exactly where I saw the signe. Do you know what that nation is called?
How much money does it take for you to be 'repayed'? Where does it end?
grainfedprairieboy @ Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:53 am
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
So bitch all you want. No government of any sort in any province is going to make us go away. You might as well try to deal with it.
Your days of segregation and apartheid are coming to an end and you know it. Reserves and colonies are experiencing an outward migration and as the education standards improve, those left behind are questioning a system that is strictly to the advantage of a massive cadre of white liberal bureaucrats and their nepotism and graft suckling Chiefs.
Whether you like it or not, one day the value of an Indian woman’s life will equal that of a white or black woman’s. Whether you like it or not, one day all the Natives will know how to read or write. Whether you like it or not, Indians will one day be regarded as full and participating members of Canadian society free of all the injustices and encumbrances that currently range from your government sanctioned race based legal restrictions to your humiliating racial hyphenations.
Chmushum Nahasta, uhtiskaanesuu Canadian anichiish!
BartSimpson @ Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:45 am
Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
And in British Colombia, most of the land has not been accounted for under treaty and still remains the property of the original owners.
Donny, just curious, and I'm very serious about the curiousity; as a Canadian First Nations what do you think of Mexican claims to British Columbia?
The Mexicans claim all the way up to the Spanish line of 54'40 and I'm just curious what you have to say about their claims to your land?