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Not a chance.

Why should someone be punished via taxation for their success?

Just because one guy gets a good job coming out of Uni, he shouldn't pay any more for the same education than a guy in his class who can't find work.

I think having to work to cover your expenses during your education or something along those lines is education itself. A valuable education that many students (and adults) could use.

Jumping into school for free will cause all types of issues with program changes, drop-outs, etc.

   

But they already are being punished by their success as long as we have a progressive tax system.

   

True, but this is to the extreme.

Two people, same education, different cost of education.

That's not right.

   

Actually I was wrong, Coyne didn't say that. He just said that the monthly repayment amounts would be based on your income. So earn less, pay back for longer.

If we want social mobility, we do need to make he cost of uni less for people from low income backgrounds than from high income, or make the fees so low they aren't a barrier for anybody. Otherwise you'd have even more of what happens already - the children of uni grads go to uni, those of lower income parents don't.

   

That I have no problem with.

We make it easy for low income kids to get into University already. We offer them financing that kids from higher income families can't get and then offer them assistance afterwards if they can't pay it off.

   

Yet we hear of so many grads struggling to pay off their student debt. I wonder if we're dong enough.

   

Why does the onus fall on us, the taxpayers?

Why don't you consider the problem may be the students themselves and being irresponsible?

I've seen it first hand.

My cousin who's in University and his buddies are all receive financing for their education. They all share a home and use the money they get from OSAP (Ontario Student Assistance Program) to feed themselves and pay rent.

None of them work. Not even a basic part-time job.

They blow all their money on take-out and beer and then when they run out, they tighten up and wait for the next check to get deposited into their account or call mom and dad when they can't afford a book.

   

Because they're not all your cousins. Many are responsible, and are still being crushed by debt. Part of he problem of course is that often their degrees don't translate into good paying jobs, as they were told they would. With us kicking the shit out of the middle class, a lot of people coming out of uni basically go down, instead of up.

   

But many are like my cousin. I've seen it with my own eyes as I ventured through post secondary education.

Kids assume that any degree will land them a solid job when the truth is, many are unemployable or get paid very little due to a lack of experience.

Students and parents alike have to take some responsibility as to which school and courses are taken and which direction to take while at school.

We as a society can't run around and make up for every misguided decision every person makes.

Some people just don't do well andy, despite all the help you may offer. That's something you're going to have to accept.

   

Any society will have winners and losers. Societies that throw the losers under the bus don't do any better than the ones that let the losers drive the bus.

   

Andy, I hope you're not referring to students, because you can't be further from the truth.

We're giving students every advantage possible. A fully financed education. Low cost education. Hundreds of choices of programs and career paths. Low interest rates. Support if you can't make your payments.

As the saying goes; "You Can Drag a Horse to Water but You Can't Make it Drink"

   

I would have to agree with this. Coming form Ontario which has the highest tuitions, there was many times I was aggravated when tuitions went up. This generation is told they must be highly educated, then when they get this education there is no job for them, and they end up having huge amounts of student debt. Then on top of it all they raise tuition fees. It is like the last straw that broke the camels back, the only difference is Quebec students have more courage than other Canadians. I do not think this is primarily about the tuition fee raise, but rather the lack of opportunities given to the current generation. Tuition fees like are said are just the last straw to really piss people off. That is why after this started many young people have felt solidarity to the quebec students. Every time tuition fees raised in the other provinces there were probably many students who wanted to go out and smash some things in anger. The quebecois were the only ones to actually go do it; ironically though they pay the least in tuition. In fact even old people are going out and banging pots and pans for the students. None the less, it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

   

I paid mine off in full by spreading out my education over 6 years and working while living at home to pay for it all.

I suspect many of these folks going on about paying it all off on their own without loans lived at or near home as well. I'm sorry but I firmly think your spouting bullshit if you mean to tell me that you can handle full time university and also work enough and get enough hours around your tight schedule to pay rent, food, utilities and transport on top of the thousands a year needed for schooling.

No one truly pays for university all on their own at a young age.

   

Here's an idea. If we're goping to make styudents pay the full cost of their education, let's do it by age. Starting with the oldest, who, with interest, should owe several million in today's dollars for the almost-free subsidized education they received.

   

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