Canada Better Off Without Quebec!

Ces personnes d'anglo sont si têtues. Elles juste n'acceptent pas le fait qu'elles ne veulent pas laissent vont le Québec en raison de leur fierté énorme d'anglo. Elles ne veulent pas desserrer leur plus grande province même si ce des moyens de visser les vies du peuple du Québec.

[QUOTE BY= Aldebaran] Ces personnes d'anglo sont si têtues. Elles juste n'acceptent pas le fait qu'elles ne veulent pas laissent vont le Québec en raison de leur fierté énorme d'anglo. Elles ne veulent pas desserrer leur plus grande province même si ce des moyens de visser les vies du peuple du Québec.[/QUOTE] I for one will support Quebec independance if the question is clear for example" do you want Quebec to be a country with no association with Canada politically and economically?" If the majority of Quebecers support it I for one will be like "see you later Quebec" but for the heaven's sake it's not english Canada that is hodling Quebec from being independant it's QUEBECERS!!! I just find it stupid that there are separatists on this site who want Canada to "let quebec go" when in reality the majority of Quebecers don't want that!

I just find it stupid that you are talking about things that you don't know Dino. If your province was the only english speaking place in North-America, surrounded by a french sea, you and your fellows would do the same as we do. You should read all what you wrote lately. You spit so much venom that you have no credibility.

[QUOTE BY= Monsieur_Roussel] I just find it stupid that you are talking about things that you don't know Dino. If your province was the only english speaking place in North-America, surrounded by a french sea, you and your fellows would do the same as we do. You should read all what you wrote lately. You spit so much venom that you have no credibility.[/QUOTE] Then why do you have such a hard time convincing your people to break away from Canada. There are 32 million people in Canada and 9 million are french speaking. It stupid to include america.Is america now all of a sudden a threat to Quebec? <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> Of course I think the whole issue of separation on this site is stupid because it seems to always be blaming english Canada when really it's Quebecers who are holding you back from separating. Monsieur Roussel 70% of Quebecers want to remain in Canada. Sorry if you think it's "spitting venom" but it's simply the truth. If Quebecers want change to the confederation without breaking apart the country then they need to vote that way in the upcoming election.

[QUOTE BY= dino] I for one will support Quebec independance if the question is clear for example" do you want Quebec to be a country with no association with Canada politically and economically?" If the majority of Quebecers support it I for one will be like "see you later Quebec" but for the heaven's sake it's not english Canada that is hodling Quebec from being independant it's QUEBECERS!!! I just find it stupid that there are separatists on this site who want Canada to "let quebec go" when in reality the majority of Quebecers don't want that![/QUOTE] All that fuzz around the referendum question !!! As if Québécois were that stupid and didn't understand what I meant. Would that be another form of a superior complex ??? Canada would clearly have to negociate. If Québec were to keep the canadian money, it would give Canada something 500 millions $ annualy. You'd prefer us to have that amercian dollar ? Fine with me. Never forget Dino that this CAnada name was the first name of Québec. No wonder why some Québécois feel attached to Canada. But don't imagine that the federalists feel that concerned about what's going in the other provinces. Most of soft federalists think about Québec first. They just want to be convinced that Québec won't have economic trouble with sovereignity. The task for the ennemies of Québec sovereignity is to threaten this project with scaring scenarios of economical chaos. As if all companies would go after a YES vote... In 1976, we lost a lot of english-speaking people in Montréal that went to Toronto. Did the city and province became a third world country ? No. Yes Québec is poorer than many provinces and states, but we have that thing called DIGNITY.

[QUOTE BY= Monsieur_Roussel] I just find it stupid that you are talking about things that you don't know Dino. If your province was the only english speaking place in North-America, surrounded by a french sea, you and your fellows would do the same as we do. [/QUOTE] Very true. If Québec was populated by an anglophone majority and if North America was French-speaking, Quebec would have become independant a long time ago. But don't waste too many of your words or too much breath over it Monsieur Roussel. Reading through these discussion threads about Québec, you will find proof that most Canadians in the ROC do not have the ability to think outside their own belly button. What is good for them should be good enough for everyone else. Just take it, eat it and shut up. It is the Canadian selfish way of responding to issues they do not quite comprehend. We are told to 'trust' them as they know beyond a doubt what is good for us all. If you ask first nation aboriginals, they will also concur this is how Canada thinks and acts. Democracy ? They change the rules as they see fit.

[QUOTE BY= dino] If Quebecers want change to the confederation without breaking apart the country then they need to vote that way in the upcoming election. [/QUOTE] Constitution of 1982, Meech, Charlottetown... Dino get back to your books of that Recent Political History of Canada. Québécois wanted to change the Federation (stop using that confederation name... it isn't). There is some that still want it to change but we are not bling and idiots. ... Canadians don't want it. They will if they feel forced to do it... to "save the country" if the Québec sovereignists are too strong. Of course. You promise few things to Québec and then back off... like did Trudeau and some other canadian politicians. You think we are idiots or what ??? You prefer the Federation as it is today. A centralized government at Ottawa. Well, almost... Albertans also are starting to be tired no ? But don't try to convince me the majority of Canadians want to change that federation ... come on. You are bored of hearing about Québec complaints isn't it ? Dino, are we alone Québécois in this country to do politics ??? Geee... get your a. of your seat. Since 40 years we give prime ministers in this country. Hmmm... let me think, is that a deal for keeping Québec in the federation ??? You allow us to "participate" in the country to buy peace between us ? 7,5 millions in 32 millions doing politics. Dino, in your comment you give Québécois again the responsibility to change the Confederation. There you go. Always the task of Québécois to move this country out of its sleep ??? Thanks ! But no thanks... I prefer working for my Québec country.

[QUOTE BY= sebastien]Get over it Canadians, leave Québec peacefully. Get out of QUébec. We are just different.[/QUOTE] sebastien Do not use thy Canadian in vain!!! If you are refer to these British Subjects use the applicable reference "briton" or the "britons" <a href="http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field(DOCID+@lit(dg001205)):">http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field(DOCID+@lit(dg001205)):</a> Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 1 AUGUST 1774 -AUGUST 1775 John Dickinson's Draft Letter to Quebec [QUOTE]Why this degrading Distinction? Ought not the honestly acquired property of Canadians to be as sacred as that of Britons & therefore dependant on their own voluntary Gifts & Grants? Have they not Sense enough to (manage) attend to other public Affairs than gathering Stones from one Place, & piling them up in another? Unhappy People! Who are not only injured but insulted; not only Ruin'd by your oppressors but trampled under their Feet; and after all deridingly told, that the whole is for your Good. Nay morel With such a superlative Contempt of your Understanding & Spirit, has an insolent Ministry presumed to think of you our respectable[/QUOTE] the Canadians are the French Colonialist, also known as in todays terms as the Quebecois. Our occupiers the English were the British who were our enemy that led to the capture of Canada in 1759. The settlers that came because of Great Britains (our occupiers) decree either through being an American Traitor or settled in Canada through Britian are the Britons. I am working on setting up a legal wall around the word Canadian. It represents the Quebecois's colonial identity so therefore it is their intellectual property. Any appearance of the word Canadian without applicable permission will be grounds for civil ligation. <a href="http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field(DOCID+@lit(dg002470)):">http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field(DOCID+@lit(dg002470)):</a> Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 2 September 1775 - December 1775 [QUOTE] Richard Smith's Diary Monday Decr. 18 [1775] Eleven Vessels are taken near Montreal by our people who have also seized Brig. Prescot who had caused all the Powder to be thrown overboard, but the Ships contain plenty of Provision. Ethan Allen is sent to England in Irons. Col. James Livingston is about to raise a Regiment of Canadians in our pay for One Year. Arnold is near Quebec but has not Men enough to surround it & his Powder so damaged, that he has only 5 Rounds apiece. Montgomerys Soldiers very disobedient & many of them come Home without Leave. Frauds discovered in some of his Officers. [/QUOTE] <a href="http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field(DOCID+@lit(dg002422)):">http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field(DOCID+@lit(dg002422)):</a> Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 2 September 1775 - December 1775 New Jersey Assembly [QUOTE]Page 444 DECEMBER 5, 1775 The Canadians fought in our Cause, and Canada, from thence Armys were to over run us, is Conquered in as few Months as it took Britain Years. Said we have nothing to fear but from Europe 3000 Miles distant, but a Country so United Cannot be Conquered. He said, The Eyes of all Europe are upon us.[/QUOTE] Technically during the American Revolution Canada was reconquered by the Americans in 1776. For a fraction of a second Canada was in fact apart of the Union of the United States <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/exclaim.gif' alt='Exclaimation'> Canadians were in fact paid members of the American Army. That said the Quebecois are now under the protection of the United States of America. This point will be raised with the United States <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> Unfortunately thanks to a briton war hero Benedict arnold Canada fell back under British control.Canada is a (PNOW - Prisoner Nation of War). The United States always retrieves its prisoners of war <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> However 1779 the Marquis Lafayette of France was leading a campaign to regain Canada after the United States failed to hold onto Canada. Had the Marquis Lafayette Succeeded Canada would came back under the Control of France <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/exclaim.gif' alt='Exclaimation'> So Technically the Real Canada is an absentee member of the Union of the United States of America and we are therefore under the protection of the United States of America. We are a (PNOW). Also Canada is an outstanding issue for France to send in a larger force to regain Canada. When is this going to happen?? When is the joint Franco-American Alliance going to retrieve the Prisoner Nation. In time our defence of Sovereignty and the protection of our intellectual property "Canadian" will be sorted out. Dino you will be free be to use the Canadian dollar should Quebec achieve Liberation but you will have to pay a royalty fee for use of said Currency. Not to worry we won't charge anymore than the Banks. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/cool.gif' alt='Cool'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'>

[QUOTE BY= sebastien] All that fuzz around the referendum question !!! As if Québécois were that stupid and didn't understand what I meant. Would that be another form of a superior complex ??? Canada would clearly have to negociate. If Québec were to keep the canadian money, it would give Canada something 500 millions $ annualy. You'd prefer us to have that amercian dollar ? Fine with me. Never forget Dino that this CAnada name was the first name of Québec. No wonder why some Québécois feel attached to Canada. But don't imagine that the federalists feel that concerned about what's going in the other provinces. Most of soft federalists think about Québec first. They just want to be convinced that Québec won't have economic trouble with sovereignity. The task for the ennemies of Québec sovereignity is to threaten this project with scaring scenarios of economical chaos. As if all companies would go after a YES vote... In 1976, we lost a lot of english-speaking people in Montréal that went to Toronto. Did the city and province became a third world country ? No. Yes Québec is poorer than many provinces and states, but we have that thing called DIGNITY. [/QUOTE] Actually the question wasn't clear. It said something like if you vote yes and win then the PQ will negociate separation. So what would of happened if Quebec won in 1995 negociated something new with the Canadian government and the majority of people in Quebec liked it then would Quebec have simply remained a province? You see, the question wasn't clear because people didn't even know if it meant complete separation from Canada or just some. Sebastien would you and your separatist friends like to have the American dollar? <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> Fine by me also. This is why I say separatists in Quebec are idiots! Sebastien who do you think will be controlling the american currency if Quebec were a country. Would it be the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA with 300 million people or Quebec with 7 million people. You would adopt everything american. Actually they would treat you like an american state not a country. Their 7 trillion debt and 420 billion deficit would become yours if you adopted their currency!! Mind you quebec would already be in massive debt.

[QUOTE BY= sebastien] Constitution of 1982, Meech, Charlottetown... Dino get back to your books of that Recent Political History of Canada. Québécois wanted to change the Federation (stop using that confederation name... it isn't). There is some that still want it to change but we are not bling and idiots. ... Canadians don't want it. They will if they feel forced to do it... to "save the country" if the Québec sovereignists are too strong. Of course. You promise few things to Québec and then back off... like did Trudeau and some other canadian politicians. You think we are idiots or what ??? You prefer the Federation as it is today. A centralized government at Ottawa. Well, almost... Albertans also are starting to be tired no ? But don't try to convince me the majority of Canadians want to change that federation ... come on. You are bored of hearing about Québec complaints isn't it ? Dino, are we alone Québécois in this country to do politics ??? Geee... get your a. of your seat. Since 40 years we give prime ministers in this country. Hmmm... let me think, is that a deal for keeping Québec in the federation ??? You allow us to "participate" in the country to buy peace between us ? 7,5 millions in 32 millions doing politics. Dino, in your comment you give Québécois again the responsibility to change the Confederation. There you go. Always the task of Québécois to move this country out of its sleep ??? Thanks ! But no thanks... I prefer working for my Québec country.[/QUOTE] Trudeau was a Quebecer same with many of our politicians in Ottawa who have denied Quebec distinct society or any other thing. If it was a Prime minister from Calgary, Alberta like Joe Clark and he left you out of the constitution then sebastien you would have a point that english Canada simply doesn't understand Quebec. But when it's repeatedly been Quebecers who've left you out or simply don't care to put Quebec inside the constitution(Jean Chretien) it's odd how you assume english Canada is against any change to the confederation. Always keep in mind it was never people in english Canada who were demanding a new constitution in 1982. It was brough in and people simply in english Canada accepted it and not Quebec. Then in 1990 when Lucien Bouchard wanted change many people in english Canada were like " why?" Sebastien maybe you should learn a few things about english Canada. Most people don't know why Quebecers don't like the constitution. I hate when people like yourself blame the constitution on english Canada when it was actually a Quebecer that left you out. Yes it is up to Quebecers to vote for change to the confederation. Both Jack Layton and Stephen Harper have said that things have to change within the constituiton. (Quebecers could have there pick Jack or Stephen) While the Liberals refuse to change the constitution we still have 22% of federalists in Quebec voting liberal. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> (you would think they would put the constitution as an election issue.) I was reading this thing on separation where Lucien Bouchard was on Radio-Canada about 2 days after the "love in" in 1995. And he was like where were Canadians when the meech lake accord fell? Well if I could speak to Lucien Bouchard I would tell him there were no people from english Canada wanting to save the meech lake accord because they, to this day, haven't a clue how much people like you sebastien,michou,747 don't like the constitution. Lucien Bouchard to me doesn't come across as some extreme separatist. He simply sounds kind of like you sebastien that it's the job of english Canada to reopen constitutional talks. Personally, I disagree. It's up to Quebecers and you do that by voting.

[QUOTE BY= dino] Of course I think the whole issue of separation on this site is stupid because it seems to always be blaming english Canada when really it's Quebecers who are holding you back from separating. [/QUOTE] Maybe as stupid as it is for Québec to stay in Canada ? Who knows ? Dino, I promise you I won't be here on this forum talking about Québec matters when we will have that sovereignity. Trust me. I won't bother you no more with that question.

[QUOTE BY= sebastien] [QUOTE BY= dino] Of course I think the whole issue of separation on this site is stupid because it seems to always be blaming english Canada when really it's Quebecers who are holding you back from separating. [/QUOTE] Maybe as stupid as it is for Québec to stay in Canada ? Who knows ? Dino, I promise you I won't be here on this forum talking about Québec matters when we will have that sovereignity. Trust me. I won't bother you no more with that question. [/QUOTE] Sovereignty? Don't forget that there is still 3 years before the next election in Quebec. There is plenty of time to get Quebec into the constitution before 2008. And considering the majority of Quebecers want to remain in Quebec it won't be shocking if a government offers to change the confederation which both Layton and Harper have said they would do.

Sir Philadelphia, July 8th 1776. [QUOTE]With this you will receive the Declaration of the Congress for a final separation from Great Britian. It was the universal demand of the people, justly exasperated by the obstinate perseverance of the Crown in its tyrannical and destructive measures, and the Congress were very unanimous in complying with that demand. You will immediately communicate the piece to the Court of France, and send copies of it to the other Courts of Europe. It may be well also to procure a good translation of it into French, and get it published in the gazettes. It is probable that, in a few days, instructions will be formed in Congress directing you to sound the Court of France on the subject of mutual commerce between her and these States. (1)It is expected you will send the vessel back as soon as possible, (2) with the fullest intelligence of the state of affairs, and of everything that may affect the interest of the United States. And we desire that she may be armed and prepared for defence in her return , as far as the produce of her cargo will go for that purpose. [/QUOTE] Should not the Quebecois follow the steps of the founding fathers of the United States and defer the grievences before the courts of the United States and Europe? Should the Quebecois not ask for the defence of their Sovereignty as the American Founders have? Should the Quebecois not publish their grievances in the news throughout the world like the American Founders did? Why Can't the Quebecois/Canadians follow in the footsteps of the American Founders to freedom? Should they not achieve the same result?

[QUOTE BY= The Saint] [QUOTE BY= Aldebaran] Ces personnes d'anglo sont si têtues. Elles juste n'acceptent pas le fait qu'elles ne veulent pas laissent vont le Québec en raison de leur fierté énorme d'anglo. Elles ne veulent pas desserrer leur plus grande province même si ce des moyens de visser les vies du peuple du Québec.[/QUOTE] I recommend everybody ignore this guy. He is commited to an independent Quebec by as much as he is commited to an independent state for the Zapatistas in the Chiapas region of Mexico.[/QUOTE] Anglo Canada is bent on screwing Quebec. After some contemplation I have realized that Canada and its British Subjects after 1947 was granted the right of self-determination by the British Monarch when the people of Canada essentially became citizens cit·i·zen (dictionary.com) [QUOTE]A resident of a city or town, especially one entitled to vote and enjoy other privileges there.[/QUOTE] That said, The Federal Government, The Liberals, and the Supreme Court had no right to deprive the "citizens" of Canada a voice in the establishment of the 1982 Constitution. A constitution that was essentially a power grab. That constitution is null and void and Canada will revert back to the British North America Act. The Integrity of each province is protected under the British North America Act. So the partition argument is dead. Because after 1947 the people of Canada have become citizens they have the right to self-determination of their province or as a Nation as a whole. This means that since 1947 the citizens of Canada had the right to wipe away the British North America Act and establish a constitution of their own making. Instead, through despostism and tyranny an illegal constituion was imposed on Canada by the Liberals and the Supreme court. Because the citizens of Canada have a right to self-determination that means each province has a right to decide if it is to accede itself to the European Union or the United States of America. I will be pursueing this cause until I get Foreign Policy support of the United States and Europe. As citizens the people of Canada have a right to decide their course for their future. So canada was not patriated in the 1982 Constitution, Canada was in fact patriated in the Citizenship Act of 1947 <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> The Canada lie is over!!