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Sounds pretty heavy handed for no more money for english schools. So, what, no english schools at all, is that what you're saying through all the rhetoric? I have a feeling you won't get three million people to start firebombing. Personally, I and my first nation ancestors find it very insulting that you'd dare equate the french into the same category as first peoples. You do what you want, if you're going to start firebombing, well, I'll be one of those supporting you when you're being held incommunicado for terrorism. <br /> <br /> Unfortunately, it is your rhetoric that simply inflames the situation, and makes me wonder whether your not some redneck sitting in Calgary who wants to scare any english people out of supporting the very valid claims Quebec has. <br /> <br /> Language may be a uniting force, but as we've seen, there is little fear of Quebec losing its frenchness, and if old testament parables are where you're getting your cultural insights from you may want to broaden your horizons. If you look at the world you will notice a worker and people revolution going on right now, and these are strongly united in <b>ideology</b>, yet encompass every language on earth, and language is far far far from being a unifying force, in fact it is not even on the map. People starving in a village while their land is pillaged are not crying out because they're language is dying, they are crying out because they are starving in a village while their land is being plundered.<br /> <br /> That isn't to equate it with Quebec. With modern translation devices and technologies and educational systems there is no reason that people can't function in a multitude of languages. In a direct democracy this would be up to municipalities and even neighbourhoods to decide. Why should an innu in northern Quebec need to know french OR english. However, I am not trying to convince you of anything, I quite understand when a french person hears an english person say 'why not both' then we know what that would entail. As far as 'subjection' goes, however, Quebec should look at the maritimes and see what federal subjection is REALLY like.

   

Obviously marcarc you want to sell Canada down the river at the expense of its history. There is three dynamics to a society - the laws, Political structure, and the economy. If you don't have the laws and the political structure right, you have a shit economy. <br /> <br /> Canada's economy is based on enormous exports and resource revenues. Canada's other economy is exploiting immigrants by luring them to Canada with instant visas and these immigrants immediately find work at these manufactures that export their products to the United States. These immigrants strain our public services and clog up our Highways. These immigrants often don't speak either English or French and serve who's purpose exactly. Obviously, you are a conspirator in this sham by Canada because you want Canada and the people to bend to them, rather than these immigrants take the steps to integrate themselves into Canadian Society or pushing the federal government to provide programs to integrate these immigrants. That marcarc is the greed of Canada at work!! Truly Canada doesn't give a shit about the people who have built this country and the liberal's actions reflect this. Obviously marcarc you don't give shit about the people that built this country either because you want to prostitute it to every culture under the sun. Little China, Little India. If that is the Canada you want to build, the United States should drive their tanks across the border and annex Canada now. Furthermore, Canada and these political parties are defiling our Canadian Identity. The Quebecois are the Canadians, and that is a well documented fact. Although Canada and the British have gone to great lengths to wipe out any knowledge of that fact. Unless they can wipe out the United States Library of Congress we the Quebecois will be forever immortalized as the Canadians that slipped under british rule in 1759, faught for the United States Independance, and then slipped back under British Rule. Now these britons and tories want to assume our Canadian Identity and prostitute that identity to every culture in the world. Bulletin, nothing Canada does will erase the documented record of the United States Founding Fathers. All Canada is doing is humiliating itself before the world with its policies.<br /> <br /> I believe the only solution is for the Quebecois to establish mosques and to begin meeting in the name of Allah. Three million people spoke in the last referendum. If a fraction of those who support sovereignty begin attending our mosques we could start searching for inward strength to liberate us from the hand of the infidels. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'><br /> <br /> After all we have a right to our religion <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/cool.gif' alt='Cool'>

   

[QUOTE BY= _747] These immigrants strain our public services and clog up our Highways. These immigrants often don't speak either English or French and serve who's purpose exactly. Obviously, you are a conspirator in this sham by Canada because you want Canada and the people to bend to them, rather than these immigrants take the steps to integrate themselves into Canadian Society or pushing the federal government to provide programs to integrate these immigrants. That marcarc is the greed of Canada at work!! [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I would disagree with you when you say immigrants strain our public services. They pay for them just like you and me. Could you imagine if you told all immigrants in Canada to stop working for 2 weeks how many hospitals would shut down. Look at how many doctors we would lose and don't forget nurses.<br /> <br /> Do you have any proof that most immigrants don't speak french or english because it's a load of crap when you suggest most don't speak either of Canada's official languages.<br /> <br /> I'm quite sure that most immigrants end up blending into Canadian society. If they come from mexico they are not going to all of a sudden drop their culture and customs they are used too just because they move to Canada. But believe me most immigrants end up accepting the Canadian society.

   

Dino, go to Toronto. Half the city will look at you blankly when you talk to them. They don't speak English, never mind French. Immigrants drag down wages and they are willing to work for less. What does that mean?? More Immigrants are required to pay Income taxes to sustain Fiberal Spending, Corruption, and Waste. These immigrants overburdern our highways and the Federal Government gives the provinces nothing to compensate the provinces for this added burden to the infrastructure. When's the last time you heard the Federal Government write a cheque to widen a Highway, or expand the railway to accomodate this added stress. Multiculturalism is nothing more than a ruse for the Federal Government to not pay its share to the communities infrastructure costs. This is what I would say is Federal Downloading. When I say the Feds, I mean those lying deceitful, treacherous Liberals. They are a rotten corrupt bunch of apples. Those independence better support Harper and bounce those bums out!! <br /> <br /> Really, Seriously, I think its time the Quebecois starts opening up mosques an appeal to Allah to end our occupation. Three million people spoke in the last referendum. We need to get those three million people apart of a unified construct. We could then survey the world to see what other struggling Nations are doing, ie, the palestinians to achieve sovereignty. I believe by establishing our Mosques we could invite the hezbolla and other groups for a Quebecois powwow. I am not suggesting we employ the tactics of the Palestinians but we must noneless dig in our heals. For Canada to ignore the grievances of three million people is unacceptable. Maybe Allah will Listen <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/twisted.gif' alt='Twisted Evil'> <br /> <br />

   

[QUOTE BY= _747] Dino, go to Toronto. Half the city will look at you blankly when you talk to them. They don't speak English, never mind French. Immigrants drag down wages and they are willing to work for less. What does that mean?? More Immigrants are required to pay Income taxes to sustain Fiberal Spending, Corruption, and Waste. These immigrants overburdern our highways and the Federal Government gives the provinces nothing to compensate the provinces for this added burden to the infrastructure. When's the last time you heard the Federal Government write a cheque to widen a Highway, or expand the railway to accomodate this added stress. Multiculturalism is nothing more than a ruse for the Federal Government to not pay its share to the communities infrastructure costs. This is what I would say is Federal Downloading. When I say the Feds, I mean those lying deceitful, treacherous Liberals. They are a rotten corrupt bunch of apples. Those independence better support Harper and bounce those bums out!! <br /> <br /> Really, Seriously, I think its time the Quebecois starts opening up mosques an appeal to Allah to end our occupation. Three million people spoke in the last referendum. We need to get those three million people apart of a unified construct. We could then survey the world to see what other struggling Nations are doing, ie, the palestinians to achieve sovereignty. I believe by establishing our Mosques we could invite the hezbolla and other groups for a Quebecois powwow. I am not suggesting we employ the tactics of the Palestinians but we must noneless dig in our heals. For Canada to ignore the grievances of three million people is unacceptable. Maybe Allah will Listen <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/twisted.gif' alt='Twisted Evil'> <br /> <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Half the city? Please. Why do you assume that immigrants are from countries were there is simply no english? Someone coming to Canada from England is an immigrant.<br /> <br /> Immigrants don't drag down wages since alot of them are working jobs like being doctors,engineers and nurses.<br /> <br /> 3 million people out of 29 million no the government doesn't have to pay any attention to you.<br /> <br /> ALso,I personally will perdict that the government will fall tommorow. You never know if a Liberal tomorrow morning will move to the conservatives.

   

I would love to see that, it would be perfectly hysterical, in fact if there are any playwrights out there that would be perfect fodder for a satire. Could you imagine a Quebecois and a palestinian comparing notes. Throw in a native who was at Oka who faced the surite de quebec just for more juicy irony.<br /> <br /> Palestinian: So, they are killing you when you seek to expel them.<br /> Quebecois: Well, no, in fact they didn't even challenge our right to hold a referendum on separating.<br /> Palestinian: But they squash your religion and refuse you land.<br /> Quebecois: Well, no, they don't care about our religion and the federal government has largely stayed out of land issues.<br /> Native: You mean like James Bay?<br /> Quebecois: Yeah, I guess you guys got the bums end on that one, ha ha!<br /> Palestinian: So, what exactly is your problem again?<br /> Quebecois: Well, for one thing they will let immigrants live wherever they want! And they put money into the english school system.<br /> Palestinian: Ah, so they are trying to eradicate your language!<br /> Quebecois: Er, well, no, in fact OUR language is the predominant language and we don't let people use english in government and on public notices. <br /> Palestinian (in a sarcastic voice): Well, you'll have my sympathies but right now I'm trying to keep that tank from running me down.<br /> <br /> As usual the native only gets a bit part, sorry about that, I'm no playwright.

   

<a href="http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mgw:@field(DOCID+@lit(gw130214))">http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mgw:@field(DOCID+@lit(gw130214))</a><br /> <br /> <b>George Washington to Continental Congress, November 11, 1778</b><br /> <br /> [quote]</b>That France was decidedly lukewarm in 1778 toward repossessing Canada is clear[/quote]<br /> <br /> It's amazing how many letters have not been transcribed but are only viewable in image format. It is obvious that France was going to great lengths to regain Canada. France is definately in a military position to regain Canada (Quebec) and liberate us once and for all. I believe it is time France and the United States re-establish the campaign to retrieve Quebec (Canada) once and for all. Personally, I find it irritating that Quebec has to stomach one more day under occupation. The United States owes us Canadians this action, we faught for their Independance. The least they could do is impose themselves upon Canada to establish Quebec Sovereignty. If the United States is unwilling to do this then at least hold the world back while France comes in and teaches Canada a few things about military intervention and establishes Quebec's sovereignty.<br /> <br /> The United States is to send in the tanks now!! What I suggest is Manitoba west is to be annexed to the United States and Ontario east is to be established as a Le Republique du Canada. Once established we will likely accede ourselves to the EU or remain Independant either/or its time to be liberated from briton/tory occupation. It is time the United States and France finishes what was started in 1778. Do it Now!!! Our patience is growing extremely thin, and we are very annoyed with the time it has taken. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mad.gif' alt='Angry'> <br /> <br /> BTW...It so obvious that France was going to extract Canada but the venture fell apart. Brace yourselves France is certainly in a position Now to retrieve Quebec. If France should decide that action, what is Canada going to do about it???<br /> <br />

   

[QUOTE by _747]</b> What I suggest is…Ontario east is to be established as a Le République du Canada.<b>[/QUOTE]<br /> Just out of curiosity, have you checked out <a href="http://demaisonneuve.com/bloc/index.html">this site</a> yet?<br />

   

[QUOTE BY= Brother Jonathan] [QUOTE by _747]</b> What I suggest is…Ontario east is to be established as a Le République du Canada.<b>[/QUOTE]<br /> Just out of curiosity, have you checked out <a href="http://demaisonneuve.com/bloc/index.html">this site</a> yet?<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> No but I love it, thanks.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]</b>Q: Have Québec and Ontario ever been one nation? <br /> <br /> A: Yes. From the founding of New France until the shameful Constitution Act imposed by the British on January 25, 1791, the people and land of Québec and Ontario were one nation. After that period, Québec and Ontario have been artificially divided. For a brief, happy time, from July 23, 1840, to June 30, 1867, Québec and Ontario were once again united as one province by the Act of Union. This lasted until the British imposed Confederation. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I suggest the britons and the tories read up on what the British did to the Acadians in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. There is a wealth of documents coming out surrounding the American Revolution. The noose of history is slowly clamping itself around Canada's neck. It is only fair we do onto you as you have done onto us when the wrongs of history is finally corrected. The fact is we Quebecois (Canadians) fell under occupation in 1759. We Canadians (Quebecois) faught for the American Cause. You britons and tories faught against the American Cause. Unfortunately we slipped back under British Rule. Because of this France was heading up a campaign to regain Canada. It is unclear why this never materialized but France and the United States are definately in a position to make good on this wrong in history. <br /> <br /> Honestly I am sick of it. Our 1995 referendum was close enough, it is time for France and the United States to send in the tanks. For the United States to continue to allow these traitors and Queen Lovers to defile our good name Canada, and to take refuge under our "Canadian" banor and masquerade about the world in our name is Nauseous and gulling to say the least. <br /> <br /> For God's sake do something!!!<br />

   

Watching 24, Harbib Marwan kind of glamourizes those muslims. So dedicated to their cause. Well, not unlike those palestinians strapping a bomb to their chest and going onto a bus in Isreal. The fact is we Canadians have a cause to annex our identity back from the infidels. We also have the cause to establish Le Republique du Canada. <br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.omnicenter.org/warpeacecollection/victims.htm">http://www.omnicenter.org/warpeacecollection/victims.htm</a><br /> <br /> VICTIMS OF UNITED STATES INVASIONS<br /> <br /> [quote]</b>Invade: enter forcefully as an enemy; go into with hostile intent; enter to take possession ; conquer; enter and affect injuriously or destructively; infringement by intrusion; offensive; penetrate; spread into or over; attack; subvert. <blockquote><b>U.S. invasions are typically facilitated by secrecy, deceit, and lying by presidents and their subordinates in order to deny the public the truth and gain their support for acts that violate international laws and the U.S. Constitution and that kill innocent people.</b></blockquote>[/quote]<br /> <br /> <br /> China 1945 to 1960s<br /> Italy 1947-48<br /> Greece 1947 to 1950s<br /> Philippines 1940s and 1950s<br /> Korea 1945-1953 <br /> Albania 1949-1953<br /> Eastern Europe 1948-1956<br /> Germany 1950s<br /> Iran 1953<br /> Guatemala 1953-1954 <br /> Costa Rica mid-1950s, 1970-71 <br /> Syria 1956-1957<br /> Middle East 1957-1958 <br /> Indonesia 1957-1958 <br /> British Guiana 1953-1964<br /> Soviet Union 1940 to 1960s <br /> Italy 1950s to 1970s<br /> Vietnam 1950-1973<br /> Cambodia 1969 to 1973<br /> Lebanon 1957-58<br /> Laos 1957-1973<br /> Cuba 1957 to present<br /> Haiti 1959-1963 <br /> Guatemala 1960 to 1980s<br /> Peru 1960-1965 <br /> France/Algeria 1960s <br /> Equador 1960-1963 <br /> The Congo 1960-1978 <br /> Dominican Republic 1963-1966<br /> Brazil 1961-1964 <br /> Indonesia 1965<br /> East Timor 1965 <br /> Ghana 1966 <br /> Uruguay 1964-1970 <br /> Chile 1964-1973 <br /> Greece 1964-1974 <br /> Bolivia 1964-1975 <br /> Iraq 1972-1975 <br /> Angola 1975 to 1980s <br /> Jamaica 1976-1980 <br /> Seychelles 1979-1981 <br /> Grenada 1979-1984 <br /> Lebanon 1982<br /> Morocco 1983 <br /> Suriname 1982-1984 <br /> Libya 1981-1989 <br /> Nicaragua 1981-1990<br /> Panama 1989-1990<br /> Bulgaria 1990 <br /> Liberia 1990<br /> Iraq 1990-to present<br /> Afghanistan 1979-1992 <br /> El Salvador 1980-1994 <br /> Haiti 1986-1994 <br /> Philippines 1989 <br /> Kosovo 1998-1999 <br /> Turkey's Oppression of the Kurds 1992 to present<br /> Israel and Palestine (2nd Intifada) 2000<br /> <br /> Take a look at this list, no country is above US intervention. The united states tends to provide military support and supplies to existing groups. That is why we must establish our mosques to pull in our 3 million sovereignty supporters. These mosques will serve as a base to attract international support to our cause of Liberation from these deceitful, treachorous, lying, corrupt, scoundral tories and britons. Our mosques will of course secretly work in conjuction with the United States. Of course we know they will disavow any knowledge to our activities or groups, but the United States will know the score.<br /> <br /> Manitoba West to be annexed by the United States. Ontario east is established a Le Republique du Canada. All those who oppose will be deported, not unlike what the British did to the Acadians in the 1700s.<br /> <br /> As with any nation, this overthrow must come from within. We must lay the infrasture. In the current world climate there is no better concealer than a mosque. Hey if these britons and tories can masquerade about the world as Canadians. We Quebecois/Canadians can Masquerade about the world as muslims. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> <br /> <br /> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/twisted.gif' alt='Twisted Evil'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/cool.gif' alt='Cool'>

   

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[QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb] http://montreal.cbc.ca/regional/servlet ... ef20050519<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> Mr. LeHir is now a federalist doing what federalists do best. On the other hand, Mr. Corbeil was a high ranking federalist and still is a federalist. Here's what he has to say about the 1995 referendum:<br /> <br /> <b><a href="http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1114093407930_6/?hub=Canada">http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1114093407930_6/?hub=Canada</a></b>

   

<a href="http://www2.marianopolis.edu/quebechistory/readings/queconf.htm">http://www2.marianopolis.edu/quebechistory/readings/queconf.htm</a><br /> <br /> [quote]Quebec could have conceded Rep by Pop to Ontario in the Union, it could have annexed itself to the United States, it could have become independent and a different political system (legislative union or Confederation) could have been done[/quote]<br /> <br /> Bullshit, what was the Rebellion of 1937-40? Amusement?? Quebec wanted independence and England would not allow it!! We continued to be occupied and subjugated by Britain.<br /> <br /> <br /> [quote]</b> <b>The Rouges of Quebec (a radical, nationalist, anticlerical party in Quebec that opposed Confederation demanded that a referendum be held on the question of Confederation but, typically, the authorities refused to do so in part, perhaps, because they feared the result of such a move but, mostly, because the idea of letting the ‘people’ decide was foreign to their conception of how public policy should be decided.</b> That the people did not need to be involved certainly simplified the process.[/quote]<br /> <br /> No Referendum to the people to establish confederation. Canada's confederation is a farce.<br /> <br /> [quote]</b>While the principle of union was the biggest selling point in Ontario, <b>provincial autonomy was stressed instead in Quebec. It is nearly as if the project was presented to its people not as creating a single country but rather a new and rather independent Quebec.</b> Under these conditions, Confederation seemed to make an important contribution to la survivance and the majority felt that it deserved support.[/quote]<br /> <br /> Quebec was lied to, to gain its legislative support to agree to confederation. Quebec believed it would be relatively independent in a Canada Confederation. In a sense Quebec believed it was getting sovereignty by association <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/exclaim.gif' alt='Exclaimation'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/exclaim.gif' alt='Exclaimation'> <br /> <br /> The fact is, like the 1982 Constitution, no referendum to the people. Our Canada fell under British occupation in 1759. We rode out occupation the best we could against a hostile occupier. I believe we are nearing the end to this unpleasent occupation.<br /> <br /> I suggest Canada sign a sovereignty by Association Agreement and be happy with it <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/exclaim.gif' alt='Exclaimation'>

   

<br /> Salut 747 !<br /> <br /> Une petite citation pour te divertir toi et les Souverainistes sur le Réseau.<br /> <br /> " D'autre part la dernière guerre n'a fait qu'ajouter à son capital de gloire. Il a succombé à la fin, mais pour des causes où ne se trouvent compromises ni sa vaillance, ni l'intelligence de sa race. En face du vainqueur anglais le vaincu de 1760 gardait, vivant sous son front, avec le mirage d'un empire évanoui, l'orgueil d'un grand passé. "<br /> <br /> - Lionel Groulx, Lendemains de conquête, 1920<br /> <br /> <br /> Bientôt, notre petite nation québécoise se verra à l'ONU assise à côté du Qatar !<br /> <br /> Canada, vous avez intérêt à ce que cette séparation se fasse pacifiquement ou vous pourriez en souffrir économiquement vous aussi si vous tentez toutes sortes de combines machiavéliques encore une fois !<br />

   

Salut sebastien<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.goldensextant.com/CanadaGoldGrams.html">http://www.goldensextant.com/CanadaGoldGrams.html</a><br /> <br /> "Transformed by The Quiet Revolution (La Révolution tranquille), Montreal celebrated Canada's centennial year with Expo 67 and an extraordinary visit from <b>Charles de Gaulle</b>, leader of the Free French during World War II, <b>founder of the Fifth Republic</b>, and at the time <b>President of France</b>. Circumventing efforts by the federal government to make him little more than a tourist and finessing diplomatic protocol that would have required him to arrive in Ottawa, General de Gaulle reached Quebec <b>aboard the French naval cruiser Colbert on June 23, 1967</b>, after a brief stopover in St. Pierre et Miquelon, France's last remaining territory in North America. Greeted warmly by over a million enthusiastic Quebecers as he followed the Chemin du Roy (Route 138) in an open car to Montreal, the general arrived in the metropole on June 24.<br /> <br /> That evening, from the balcony of Montreal's town hall, he delivered an address (online TV clip from Radio Canada; also film by Jean-Claude Labrecque) to an audience of some 15,000, including a few placard waving members of the Rassemblement pour l'Independence nationale, an early forerunner of the PQ. Comparing the mood of the day to the liberation of Paris in 1944, he praised the recent accomplishments of the province, especially in Montreal, and promised further French support for transatlantic cooperation with Quebec. Then, professing unforgettable memories of an extraordinary day and affirming that "<b>all of France knows, sees, and understands what happens here</b>," he closed with a salute heard around the world: "<b>Vive le Québec libre</b>!"<br /> <br /> The president of France had uttered the slogan of the RIN. Great waves of applause rose from the crowd, followed almost at once by icy anger from Ottawa that cut short the general's trip and plunged Canada's relations with France into a deep freeze that would last a decade"<br /> <br /> <br /> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'>

   

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