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[QUOTE BY= paulMartin] It's always the same story. Quebecois trying to explain to Canadians what it is to be a people without a country. Are they stupid or what? It doesn't take 200 years to understand simple facts like that. I give up.<br /> <br /> Vous êtes pas tannés? Soit qu'ils sont sourds soit qu'ils veulent pas entendre.<br /> Comme peuple on l'a gagné le dernier référendum. On a pas besoin de leur permission. Let's go on se sépare drette là. Qui mangent d'la marde.<br /> <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Un peu tanné en effet. J'arrête bientôt. <br /> <br /> I'll give up soon enough. Canadians outside Québec don't quite get the Québec situation ! Or I suppose they don't want to get it...<br /> <br /> <br />

   

Sébastien and paulMartin, you're both right. <br /> <br /> I never thought Canadians would come to accept Québec sovereignty, though they will have to eventually, but I had at least hoped that some would have the ability to understand. I was dead wrong.<br /> <br /> I've just posted a link on the <a href="http://www.vivelecanada.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=9179&fromblock=yes&lastpost=true">PQ's look to next referendum </a> thread about a study done on '"The Fourth World - Nations without a State and territorial integrity".<br /> Do you think any one of them will bother reading it ? Of course they won't and the few comments that followed are proof of it. In reality, they are afraid to read it in case it contradicts their beliefs. The only thing they have to offer us with their responses is their fear turned into hatred and disdain. They will and are trying to project their own fears unto us but it's not sticking. It's not sticking for good reasons, it's all based on myth, the great Canadian myth. They are no better than Americans and their American Dream. <br /> <br /> Wake up Canada ! Your country will not look the same by the end of the decade. Use that time to prepare yourself well but don't ever say you hadn't been warned long in advance.<br /> <br /> So once again, you're both right. Concentrating where it most counts now is necessary and it is at home. Let's make sure Québécers don't fall for the crap Canadians will throw and try to smear us with in the coming years. We've heard it all here before. It's time to tell our own to fight back with the truth. <br /> <br /> The truth shall set us free ! (didn't Jesus say that ? geez... <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> )

   

I was watching global news and it showed that 54% of Quebecers are for sovereignty. Then it should that more then half of these people want to remain in Canada. My mom who isn't the most knowledgable on politics sounded just like how I've been like on this website for months. She was like Quebecers want to have it both ways why don't they pick one or the other NOT BOTH!! <br /> <br /> We both agreed that Quebecers take the rest of us in this country for granted. You want sovereignty but you would prefer to keep on receiving money from Alberta's oil and Ontario's economy!! It will never happen!!

   

[QUOTE BY= dino] I was watching global news and it showed that 54% of Quebecers are for sovereignty. Then it should that more then half of these people want to remain in Canada. My mom who isn't the most knowledgable on politics sounded just like how I've been like on this website for months. She was like Quebecers want to have it both ways why don't they pick one or the other NOT BOTH!! <br /> <br /> We both agreed that Quebecers take the rest of us in this country for granted. You want sovereignty but you would prefer to keep on receiving money from Alberta's oil and Ontario's economy!! It will never happen!![/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> You are totaly right. Globaly it's mixed up.<br /> That's the collective ambiguity in Québec.<br /> Probably the questions were unclear in the poll.<br /> I apologize in the name of my province.<br /> You have the power to stop this s... by helping Québec to get out of Canada...

   

[QUOTE BY= sebastien]<br /> You are totaly right. Globaly it's mixed up.<br /> That's the collective ambiguity in Québec.<br /> Probably the questions were unclear in the poll.<br /> I apologize in the name of my province.<br /> You have the power to stop this s... by helping Québec to get out of Canada...[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Oh please. The question was perfectly clear. Stop trying to make it seem as though the question wasn't clear because it was. Time after time polls show more than 2/3 of Quebecers want to remain in Canada.<br /> Sebastien you say Canada is dead in Quebec..... <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'>

   

[QUOTE BY= dino]<br /> Oh please. The question was perfectly clear. Stop trying to make it seem as though the question wasn't clear because it was. Time after time polls show more than 2/3 of Quebecers want to remain in Canada.<br /> Sebastien you say Canada is dead in Quebec..... <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> T'es prêt à nous endurer longtemps Dino ??? D'accord pas de problème. La souveraineté du Québec ne se fait pas, d'accord.<br /> <br /> But remember that half Québec nation think that Québec can be a country of its own.<br /> <br /> Fine... Canada is able to keep Québec at all price inside Canada. Fine... I will still use that canadian passport but don't ever ask me to cheer that Canada.<br /> <br /> QUÉBEC IS MY COUNTRY... DO YOU HEAR ME... WHATEVER STATUS IT HAS. YOU CAN LAUGH AT THAT STATEMENT YOU WON'T EVER TAKE MY QUÉBÉCOIS DIGNITY MY FRIENDS...<br /> <br />

   

[QUOTE BY= sebastien]T'es prêt à nous endurer longtemps Dino ??? D'accord pas de problème. La souveraineté du Québec ne se fait pas, d'accord.<br /> <br /> But remember that half Québec nation think that Québec can be a country of its own.<br /> <br /> Fine... Canada is able to keep Québec at all price inside Canada. Fine... I will still use that canadian passport but don't ever ask me to cheer that Canada.<br /> <br /> QUÉBEC IS MY COUNTRY... DO YOU HEAR ME... WHATEVER STATUS IT HAS. YOU CAN LAUGH AT THAT STATEMENT YOU WON'T EVER TAKE MY QUÉBÉCOIS DIGNITY MY FRIENDS...<br /> <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> No one is asking you to cheer Canada. But there will be a day when you ask yourself were this "sovereignty" movement has taken Quebec. It most certainly has not made Quebec stronger or you would have called another referendum after 1995. You guys have to wait for the federal liberals to screw up to see some movement in the polls.

   

[QUOTE BY= michou] Sébastien and paulMartin, you're both right. <br /> <br /> I never thought Canadians would come to accept Québec sovereignty, though they will have to eventually, but I had at least hoped that some would have the ability to understand. I was dead wrong.<br /> <br /> I've just posted a link on the <a href="http://www.vivelecanada.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=9179&fromblock=yes&lastpost=true">PQ's look to next referendum </a> thread about a study done on '"The Fourth World - Nations without a State and territorial integrity".<br /> Do you think any one of them will bother reading it ? Of course they won't and the few comments that followed are proof of it. In reality, they are afraid to read it in case it contradicts their beliefs. The only thing they have to offer us with their responses is their fear turned into hatred and disdain. They will and are trying to project their own fears unto us but it's not sticking. It's not sticking for good reasons, it's all based on myth, the great Canadian myth. They are no better than Americans and their American Dream. <br /> <br /> Wake up Canada ! Your country will not look the same by the end of the decade. Use that time to prepare yourself well but don't ever say you hadn't been warned long in advance.<br /> <br /> So once again, you're both right. Concentrating where it most counts now is necessary and it is at home. Let's make sure Québécers don't fall for the crap Canadians will throw and try to smear us with in the coming years. We've heard it all here before. It's time to tell our own to fight back with the truth. <br /> <br /> The truth shall set us free ! (didn't Jesus say that ? geez... )[/QUOTE]<br /> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/exclaim.gif' alt='Exclaimation'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/exclaim.gif' alt='Exclaimation'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/exclaim.gif' alt='Exclaimation'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/exclaim.gif' alt='Exclaimation'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/exclaim.gif' alt='Exclaimation'>

   

[QUOTE BY= dino] <br /> No one is asking you to cheer Canada. But there will be a day when you ask yourself were this "sovereignty" movement has taken Quebec. It most certainly has not made Quebec stronger or you would have called another referendum after 1995. You guys have to wait for the federal liberals to screw up to see some movement in the polls.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Don't worry my friend. Québécois are able to run their nation just as well that other occidental countries do.<br /> <br /> France will always be on our side. There is 3000 french people coming every year to live in Québec. Québec will ask France's help if you get any economical threat.<br /> <br /> I'm not scared... don't try to alarmist... come on, you already tried that thing in 1995. Think of something else. Come on... be more creative to discourage us !!!

   

[QUOTE BY= sebastien] <br /> Don't worry my friend. Québécois are able to run their nation just as well that other occidental countries do.<br /> <br /> France will always be on our side. There is 3000 french people coming every year to live in Québec. Québec will ask France's help if you get any economical threat.<br /> <br /> I'm not scared... don't try to alarmist... come on, you already tried that thing in 1995. Think of something else. Come on... be more creative to discourage us !!![/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Where were the french when the plains of abraham was going on? <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> The french won't side with you they do more trade with Ontario then Quebec and money is more important.

   

[QUOTE BY= dino] <br /> <br /> Where were the french when the plains of abraham was going on? <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> The french won't side with you they do more trade with Ontario then Quebec and money is more important. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> N'importe quoi ! <br /> <br /> It was the french people in majority on the Plains of Abraham. La Milice Canadienne était arrivait sur place. C'est la Milice Canadienne qui protégea les Français dans leur replis vers la ville de Québec.<br /> <br /> It's France that lost that day. Not Québec. We are still alive. It's France that did not send some boats and army yes. France abandoned its french settlers. It won't do that again, believe me. They know we need them. Money in Ontario won't change that fact... France is the fourth economical power in the World after USA, Japan, Germany...

   

[QUOTE BY= sebastien] [QUOTE BY= dino] <br /> No one is asking you to cheer Canada. But there will be a day when you ask yourself were this "sovereignty" movement has taken Quebec. It most certainly has not made Quebec stronger or you would have called another referendum after 1995. You guys have to wait for the federal liberals to screw up to see some movement in the polls.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Don't worry my friend. Québécois are able to run their nation just as well that other occidental countries do.<br /> <br /> France will always be on our side. There is 3000 french people coming every year to live in Québec. Québec will ask France's help if you get any economical threat.<br /> <br /> I'm not scared... don't try to alarmist... come on, you already tried that thing in 1995. Think of something else. Come on... be more creative to discourage us !!![/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Even tha we are still a third world country, Mexico will help Quebec as much as we can, and maybe I am talking too much, but I can guarantee that the whole Latin America will help Quebec as much as they can, we are rich countries in natural resources, even with our economical problems. But believe me if we see a sister in trouble surely we will help her. And of course Quebec will have the help of France. France will be happy that her child is finally free.

   

I'm all for separation, in fact if Quebec can 'legally' separate or claim sovereignty that grants far more legitimate claims to native self government. The mohawks and others have far more legitimate claims to self government and land claims than Quebecois, which means those 'international courts' would have to get involved to start 'carving up' the province. If that happens, then with legitimate self governments in place in Quebec, Canada wouldn't be able to deny it to native groups in other provinces.

   

[QUOTE BY= Aldebaran]<br /> <br /> Even tha we are still a third world country, Mexico will help Quebec as much as we can, and maybe I am talking too much, but I can guarantee that the whole Latin America will help Quebec as much as they can, we are rich countries in natural resources, even with our economical problems. But believe me if we see a sister in trouble surely we will help her. And of course Quebec will have the help of France. France will be happy that her child is finally free.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Thanks Alderaban ! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'><br /> <br /> Bonne nuit mon ami. Buena noche. <br /> <br /> Estoy cansado... Ces discussions m'ont fatigué ! Héhé<br /> I guess you are witnessing the beginning of the Third Québec Referendum Battle. Héhé...

   

[QUOTE BY= sebastien] <br /> I guess you are witnessing the beginning of the Third Québec Referendum Battle. Héhé...[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> In the year 2008.......plenty of time for things to change by then. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'>

   

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