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fifeboy @ Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:53 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
A handful of parents and myself offered to coach and help with some of the activities THIS SCHOOL YEAR. We were specifically told NO by the school and the DDSB.
Same thing went for my family members with the TTSB. The school and board prevented parents from stepping in to volunteer. Teachers had to be involved or they weren't happening.
OnTheIce @ Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:19 am
Lemmy Lemmy:
There needs to be a teacher present, but that doesn't mean you were told "No". You were told "find a teacher to supervise", right? And if you don't like that rule, talk to Mike Harris. It was part of his government's Education Act.
Stop pretending you know everything!
I know what I was told. You don't. Stop pretending you do. It's ridiculous.
My wife and I volunteered to run some intramural sports this past winter. We were specifically told "No, we can't allow that".
Lemmy Lemmy:
Weekly strikes? You're lying or retarded. Illegal strikes? When? Name one? There hasn't been an illegal strike by teachers in Ontario ever.
Or maybe old age is kicking in? Missed the rotating weekly strikes by teachers? was only a few months ago.
There ya go again....pretending you know everything and yet, falling short.
$1:
In the fall of 1997, education minister John Snobelen introduced Bill 160, which extended the time teachers spend in class and cut preparation time for high school teachers, among other things. Teacher unions responded shortly after with an illegal two-week strike that saw 160,000 teachers across Ontario walk off the job.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013 ... s_era.html
Looks like you're in 'err' too.
Jonny_C @ Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:26 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
The ONLY reason teachers take shit from the public is when they stop doing things for the kids.
No, they routinely take shit from people who think they can be teachers because they went to school.
$1:
They'd have a ton more public support if they fought their battles without the kids in the middle.
This mantra only shows that you don't understand the dynamics at all. Or more likely that you refuse to.
$1:
{to Lemmy}Stop pretending you know everything!
I know what I was told. You don't. Stop pretending you do. It's ridiculous.
My wife and I volunteers to run some intramural sports this past winter. We were specifically told "No, we can't allow that".
I know what I was told. You don't. Stop pretending you do. It's ridiculous.
My wife and I volunteers to run some intramural sports this past winter. We were specifically told "No, we can't allow that".
So you weren't given the reason. Now you've got the reason.
$1:
{to Lemmy} Or maybe old age is kicking in? Missed the rotating weekly strikes by teachers? was only a few months ago.
In the time frame being discussed, that would be classified as the present.
OnTheIce @ Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:36 am
Jonny_C Jonny_C:
No, they routinely take shit from people who think they can be teachers because they went to school.
And? People take shit in that sense in all professions. It's not unique to teaching.
Jonny_C Jonny_C:
This mantra only shows that you don't understand the dynamics at all. Or more likely that you refuse to.
Explain it for me.
Jonny_C Jonny_C:
So you weren't given the reason. Now you've got the reason.
I don't care for the opinion of an economist on issues at my own school.
Lemmy @ Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:38 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Stop pretending you know everything!
I know what I was told. You don't. Stop pretending you do. It's ridiculous.
My wife and I volunteers to run some intramural sports this past winter. We were specifically told "No, we can't allow that".
I know what I was told. You don't. Stop pretending you do. It's ridiculous.
My wife and I volunteers to run some intramural sports this past winter. We were specifically told "No, we can't allow that".
The only rule is that you need to have a teacher supervise. As long as you have that, volunteers are allowed (and, indeed, welcomed). If you and your wife were told you couldn't volunteer, then that is something that was decided about YOU, personally, not about volunteers in general. I'd say the principal likely made a good decision in telling people like you "Thanks but no thanks". Non-crazy people can and do volunteer in our schools.
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
$1:
In the fall of 1997, education minister John Snobelen introduced Bill 160, which extended the time teachers spend in class and cut preparation time for high school teachers, among other things. Teacher unions responded shortly after with an illegal two-week strike that saw 160,000 teachers across Ontario walk off the job.
Looks like you're in 'err' too.
No, your link is incorrect, as are you. The 1997 political protest was not a strike nor was it illegal. John Snobelen, by the way, maxed out his education at grade 10 so he's not likely the best source for informed comment on education.
Lemmy @ Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:39 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
I don't care for the opinion of an economist on issues at my own school.
Not even a labour economist who specializes in public service employees in Ontario? Who do you take medical advice from, your grocer?
martin14 @ Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:02 am
Lemmy Lemmy:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Looks like you're in 'err' too.
No, your link is incorrect, as are you. The 1997 political protest was not a strike nor was it illegal. John Snobelen, by the way, maxed out his education at grade 10 so he's not likely the best source for informed comment on education.
So, what was it then ?
Teachers at work as normal, or something else ?
Lemmy @ Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:14 am
martin14 martin14:
So, what was it then ?
Teachers at work as normal, or something else ?
Teachers at work as normal, or something else ?
Something else; a political protest. Semantics, perhaps, but it wasn't illegal.
martin14 @ Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:16 am
Lemmy Lemmy:
martin14 martin14:
So, what was it then ?
Teachers at work as normal, or something else ?
Teachers at work as normal, or something else ?
Something else; a political protest. Semantics, perhaps, but it wasn't illegal.
Really.
When you google Ontario teachers 1997, all you get for answers
is articles with the words 'strike' written all over them.
I guess the media in the rest of the world was wrong too.
Lemmy @ Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:22 am
martin14 martin14:
Really.
When you google Ontario teachers 1997, all you get for answers
is articles with the words 'strike' written all over them.
I guess the media in the rest of the world was wrong too.
When you google Ontario teachers 1997, all you get for answers
is articles with the words 'strike' written all over them.
I guess the media in the rest of the world was wrong too.
Yes, they're wrong. Same thing if you Google the recent NHL work stoppage, but that wasn't a strike either. People like to use the word "strike" for all work stoppages, but that's a misuse of the term. Call 1997 a strike if you want, but that's dumbing down what really took place.
OnTheIce @ Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:25 am
Lemmy Lemmy:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Stop pretending you know everything!
I know what I was told. You don't. Stop pretending you do. It's ridiculous.
My wife and I volunteers to run some intramural sports this past winter. We were specifically told "No, we can't allow that".
I know what I was told. You don't. Stop pretending you do. It's ridiculous.
My wife and I volunteers to run some intramural sports this past winter. We were specifically told "No, we can't allow that".
The only rule is that you need to have a teacher supervise. As long as you have that, volunteers are allowed (and, indeed, welcomed). If you and your wife were told you couldn't volunteer, then that is something that was decided about YOU, personally, not about volunteers in general. I'd say the principal likely made a good decision in telling people like you "Thanks but no thanks". Non-crazy people can and do volunteer in our schools.
Wrong.
Really classy, professor.
We volunteer in the school all year. My wife is the head of the school's community council, personal friends with the VP and Principal....but yea, I'm sure it was because they didn't want 'crazy' people helping with kids.
You a pretend psychologist now too?
Lemmy Lemmy:
No, your link is incorrect, as are you. The 1997 political protest was not a strike nor was it illegal. John Snobelen, by the way, maxed out his education at grade 10 so he's not likely the best source for informed comment on education.
Wrong.
Of course the article is wrong because it showed you were wrong. We've seen this movie before. It was an illegal strike. End of story.
Jonny_C @ Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:26 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
And? People take shit in that sense in all professions. It's not unique to teaching.
You'll note, perhaps, that that doesn't make your statement any more vaild.
$1:
Explain it for me.
Judging by what what you've already written in this thread, would you blame me for thinking I'd be wasting my time?
$1:
I don't care for the opinion of an economist on issues at my own school.
So what do you do for a living that makes you such an expert?
Lemmy @ Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:27 am
It wasn't a strike and it wasn't illegal, no matter how often you say it was.
Jonny_C @ Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:30 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
We volunteer in the school all year. My wife is the head of the school's community council, personal friends with the VP and Principal...
And yet you know so little and are so unrealistic about teachers and education.
martin14 @ Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:37 am
Lemmy Lemmy:
martin14 martin14:
Really.
When you google Ontario teachers 1997, all you get for answers
is articles with the words 'strike' written all over them.
I guess the media in the rest of the world was wrong too.
When you google Ontario teachers 1997, all you get for answers
is articles with the words 'strike' written all over them.
I guess the media in the rest of the world was wrong too.
Yes, they're wrong. Same thing if you Google the recent NHL work stoppage, but that wasn't a strike either. People like to use the word "strike" for all work stoppages, but that's a misuse of the term. Call 1997 a strike if you want, but that's dumbing down what really took place.
ummmm, no.
try 'recent NHL strike', it all comes back as 'NHL lockout'.
You can call 1997 whatever you like, but everyone else called it a strike.
Your claim of was ' not significant job action ', which is disingenuous at best.
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