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Okay, so then do you also support banning dairy products because another handful of kids (like in bootleggas article) are also acutely allergic to dairy?

And where do we stop?

As a child a fresh, red raspberry would've killed me.

I didn't expect the whole f***ing world to cleanse themselves of raspberries, I just avoided them.

I suppose you would have every school in the world ban raspberries because I was allergic to them?

What about the kids who are allergic to (insert name of food here)? Will we ban everything that anyone might be allergic to?

Where does it stop?

   

I'd agree with Bart here.

   

You know, now that I think about it. We had a vending machine, a school store, and a caf all selling penut containing products.

   

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If your kid is so sensitive to peanuts then keep the kid home.

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Actually.. he'd rather preserve one eating habit than a child's life.

   

My sense of sacrifice is different from yours.

I would sacrifice myself for my community but I would not expect them to collectively sacrifice for me.



I guess it boils down to one of those fundamental differences between the collectivist and the individualist philosophies.

I believe that the majority of responsibilities in society best belong at the lowest possible levels of governance: that being the individual, the family, the community, and then so on.

As such, my health problems and the health concerns of my children are my concern. First and foremost.

If I had a kid with a severe peanut allergy I'd have a peanut-free home and I'd home school the kid. Because it would be wrong and inconsistent with my values to demand that your family accomadates a problem in my family.

Further, I wouldn't ask an entire community to accomadate a problem that is best and most efficiently dealt with by myself and my family.

   

When does the war on bees & wasps begin, or must we now enclose the schools in an insect free dome?

   

If one of my children had a peanut allergy, and I had to keep them home to satisfy selfish parents who couldn't refrain from sending peanut butter sandwiches to school with their child, I"d have to go on Welfare.
Because you see.. single parents don't have the option to just stay home if it seems like a good thing.

So BartBoy.. the community could pay by keeping the peanuts out of the school.. or the community could pay in taxes to support my family while I home schooled.

Which makes more sense to YOU?

   

Ponytard,
Since you missed the rest of this thread then let me reiterate: peanut butter is just one of the things that have to be removed from the school to make it "safe" for a child with an acute peanut allergy.

http://www.nps.gov/archive/gwca/expanded/peanut.htm



No matter how much you may try to sanitize an entire freaking school there will still be SOMETHING your kid will come into contact with that has peanuts in it.

So are you so damned selfish about your lifestyle that you'd risk your child's life by trusting total strangers to make sure that everything on this list is not on any surface or on any child your child may come in contact with?

If you were staying at home to homeschool a kid with this allergy I'd be happy to see you on welfare to do it because that would still be but a fraction of the cost it would take to sanitize your kids school.

   

Bart Boy Wrote:

Ponytard,








The list is ridiculous.. I agree.. but since most school kids don't fed the chickens laying mash in class... keeping the peanut butter products out of the school would be a great start.

My daughter is allergic to coconut.. but she's 16.. far cry from a preschooler. I read every single prepackaged thing I buy. Shampoos, soaps, makeup.. they are all chock full of coconut.
It's time consuming, but it's doable.

But I"m thinking about going on the dole to home school her.

   

I'm being serious here: if this is what you have to do to protect your daughter then good for you!

And coconut is pretty pervasive, too. Make sure you're not missing any copra derivatives as that is also a coconut product.

On the chicken mash - children with severe peanut allergies have died from eating meat, dairy, and poultry products from animals that were fed peanuts and peanut shells (hogs eat peanut shells).

Peanuts are extremely pervasive and excluding them from an environment in this day and age is improbable.

Peanut butter is the least concern because it is so obvious.

It's the bon-bon some kid brings to school and innocently hands to the allergic kid that'll kill him/her.

Keep your kid home if it's that bad.

I'm not saying to do anything I won't do myself.

   

Bart, you have made some logical points. I disagree with you're position and reasoning of course. You seem to be of the mind that others must deal with you're chosen way of life, be it the car you drive or the food you or your family eats. I personally am of the opinion that anyone can do whatever they choose, so long as it has no impact on me and I will do the same for them

   

Thank you.



Which, by the logic of your own comment, is <i>illogical.</i>



No, it isn't about my forcing my choices on others. I'm not trying to force anyone to eat peanut products in school - the other side of the issue is trying to force people NOT to eat peanuts in school.

I'm not the one trying to create a rule here.

Eating food is a lawful behavior. Peanuts are food. Restricting the consumption of peanuts to protect children at school is inane.

As we've seen in this thread the justification for banning peanuts and peanut products in school is the same justification for banning coconut and dairy products.

Ultimately, we will have to ban *food* in our schools because almost everyone is allergic to something.

It's insane.

   

What's insane is that anyone would be so selfish as to object to foregoing peanuts in a shared building despite it being literally a matter of life and death to a few people. It truly brings into question their sense of values.

   

It's not different - if you're willing to sacrifice for the community, why not for an individual in the community? If you're going to pick a side to fight for, is it going to be for the kid who wants to go to school, or the kid who likes Reese's cups at recess?

I'm not talking about that ridiculous list you posted - there have been "peanut free" schools here that functioned well with people avoiding basic peanut products. I don't know who made that list, but it's dumb and counter-productive.

Which is a much more interesting discussion.

I don't believe in any sort of government legislation or anything of that sort. If a child at a school has an allergy of that sort, they should take it upon themselves to provide a safe environment for their students. I agree with you in that regard - I'd never look to the top of the political ladder for help when there's plenty of it on the ground.

See, that's the problem - you're saying you'd have to demand accomodation, as if it wouldn't be offered in such an instance. If that's the case, I wouldn't want to live in your community.

If a local school offered such accomodation, would you accept it and send your child to the school?

If the school board asked for your cooperation in such an accomodation for another family, would you refuse?

I remember an instance where a girl in my elementary school class developed a serious allergy to strong perfume, etc. The community was happy to accomodate that and implement a "scent free" policy (this was before "scent free" became widely accepted as standard practice). She just graduated with a degree in criminology and now she's off in Grad school - I highly doubt she'd have been as successful if we'd just stuffed her in a hole to deal with 'her own problems', and I'm positive that my development hasn't been hindered in any way by that, or any, scent free policy.

That's what I'm talking about when I talk of sacrifice - what is really at stake here?

What have peanuts done for you lately?

   

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