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Has this "Peanut free" crap gotten out of hand?

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fatbasturd @ Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:24 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Lily, I guess our principle difference is that I do not trust other people with the really important things in my life.

Were it my child who was lethally allergic to *something* then the child would not be attending a public school. Period. The risks would be just too great.

Further, I would not want to burden someone else, like you possibly, with the guilt of my child's death because they happened to have a moment where they were not as diligent as usual in preventing their child from being contaminated with whatever my child would die from.

I suppose I should ask, how would you feel if your child accidentally killed a schoolmate because of a moment's lack of vigilance on your part?

Ultimately, my goal is to protect these children and see them outgrow their allergies so that they may live to be adults. Putting their lives at risk to prove some ridiculous point is, well, ridiculous.
I have to agree with Bart and Pony on this matter...like I said in a different thread (that i was trashed for) it is a parents responecibility for the health and welfare of thier children not the publics.

   



ponygurl @ Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:27 am

fatbasturd fatbasturd:
I have to agree with Bart and Pony on this matter...like I said in a different thread (that i was trashed for) it is a parents responecibility for the health and welfare of thier children not the publics.

Kinda.. Bart and I agree we are responsible for our own children... but I think like that because I don't trust people who think like Bart.. :lol:

   



RUEZ @ Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:43 am

fatbasturd fatbasturd:
I have to agree with Bart and Pony on this matter...like I said in a different thread (that i was trashed for) it is a parents responecibility for the health and welfare of thier children not the publics.
It's not about haveing other people look after your children. It's about asking society to do the very least they can do, when you have to send your child out of your home.

   



Blue_Nose @ Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:09 am

fatbasturd fatbasturd:
it is a parents responecibility for the health and welfare of thier children not the publics.
I'll remember that the next time the IWK Telethon is on television.

   



BartSimpson @ Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:50 am

ponygurl ponygurl:
fatbasturd fatbasturd:
I have to agree with Bart and Pony on this matter...like I said in a different thread (that i was trashed for) it is a parents responecibility for the health and welfare of thier children not the publics.

Kinda.. Bart and I agree we are responsible for our own children... but I think like that because I don't trust people who think like Bart.. :lol:


Sweetie, if someone was at one of my local schools holding kids hostage, guess whose pager would go off?

   



themasta @ Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:58 am

I cannot remember where I read it, but it seems to me that many food allergies are a result of parents forcing their kids to eat something they are not developmentally ready for. Making your kid a PBandJ sandwich at the wrong age, before their immune system has fully formed, can create a lifetime peanut allergy. The article, from what I remember, basically said to offer your kids foods, but if they refused it, not to force them to eat it. How many of us said we didn't like mushrooms yet our parents or family harangued us? I hated mushrooms when I was a kid, but now, rather spontaneously, I enjoy them. The article theorized that, in this case, when I was younger I didn't like mushrooms because something in my body was not ready to accept eating fungi. Forcing me to eat mushrooms then, could have created an allergy later in life.

In addition, there is also the extreme case of parents going overboard with hypoallergenic everything. I have really sensitive skin and I believe it is because my mother only used "Free" detergent and crap like that. All my life I've never had to deal with scents in things and then, for example, I go to my cousins who use scented detergent and my skin freaks out. Parents need to relax and let kids be kids. Let them get dirty, make mistakes, catch a cold. All too often, parents nowadays are too busy sanitizing their kids and the environment around them to take notice of the harm they are doing. How is a child's immune system supposed to protect him if he lives in an almost sterile environment and everytime he gets a sniffle you pump him full of antibiotics?

That's my rant.

   



themasta @ Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:22 am

lily lily:
If that were the case I'd have a deathly allergy to liver. ;)


I've heard that theory, but I doubt there's much merit to it. My friend's husband's family has several allergies, so she avoided all the high allergy foods during her pregnancies and introduced those foods to her kids much later than usual.

Both kids developed the allergies regardless.

Maybe your mom used hypoallergenic products because you showed sensitivity when you were younger? Or maybe you inherited her skin.


I agree, genetics plays a huge part and yes, I got her skin and her eyes...boo. But at the same time, it's just something to think about. And for the record, there has been a study (sorry lily, can't find it :( I'm bad with the interweb), that shows that children brought up in homes that are excessively clean often have weaker immune systems. This is because the immune system doesn't have to work as hard to protect the child. This is one of the arguements against things like antibacterial soap. Not only is it harming kids it is creating bacteria that are resistant. That's bad news.

   



themasta @ Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:31 am

It's too bad people don't think critically. By the way...liver?...you poor, poor girl.

   



ponygurl @ Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:40 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
ponygurl ponygurl:
fatbasturd fatbasturd:
I have to agree with Bart and Pony on this matter...like I said in a different thread (that i was trashed for) it is a parents responecibility for the health and welfare of thier children not the publics.

Kinda.. Bart and I agree we are responsible for our own children... but I think like that because I don't trust people who think like Bart.. :lol:


Sweetie, if someone was at one of my local schools holding kids hostage, guess whose pager would go off?

What on earth does that have to do with peanut allergies in the public schools?

   



VicVega @ Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:43 pm

lily lily:
I agree 100% with that, masta. I don't buy anti-bacterial soaps, etc for that reason. I see people at the playground running after their kids, using anti-bacterial wipes every time little hands even came close to dirt.

Guess who's kids always have the ickiest snot-noses? :P

Besides all that though... anti-bacterial products don't just target "bad" bacteria... the kill even the good bacteria.


Here's a fun fact, all soap is antibacterial

   



VicVega @ Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:59 pm

This is it for me in this thread. I've had it!!!!!! :evil:

Apparantly the voices of reason here that basically say that in the end it is your responsibility to protect yourself and your children, because lets face it, no matter how diligent your neigbours are, or your community, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBLITY!!!!!! YOUR KIDS ARE NOT SOMEONE ELSES TO LOOK AFTER. If your kid has a peanut allergy, then I feel truely sorry for them, not being able to enjoy what is, in my opinion, the greatist salt christmas snack: the honey roasted peanut. If I knew that your child had an allergy, and was comming into my home would I go out of my way to make sure that nothing remotely peaunt was either in plain view or not in a sealed container in a cupboard??? Yes I would. Is it my responsibility that if your child goes to school with mine, to not pack them a peanut based lunch? That's debateable, apparantly. Is it the school's responsibility to make sure that peanuts don't enter the school when the child is a certain age (primary school for instance). Most definately because the child him or herself is not responsible enough, or observant enough to avoid it at that age. After that point (like say.....Jr High or Past), it is the responisbility of the individual with the allergy to avoid those situations, and foods. People have to grow up at some point. Is it the responsibility of McMahan or Commonwealth stadium to make sure their facility's are peanut free. MOST DEFINATELY NOT!!!!!!! It is one thing when we are talking about a facility where children up to a certain age are required to be there, but optional large arena settings expected to be peanut free for the sake of one or two indivduals out of 20k is ludacris. Nothing beats a hot coffee, and a bag of fresh roasted peanuts in the shell on a cold afternoon at a Stamps game.

But Ponygurl made a good point when she asked what did hostage taking have to do with peanuts in schools. So going back even further, and god forbid actually answering the origional question at hand..."Is all this peanut free crap getting out of hand?" , in my opinion no it is not. It is a matter of individual safety on a person's part to know what is safe for them to eat, the same as lactose free items are available. It is also the responsiblity of a manfuacturer of a product to make sure that they list ALL ingrediants, and potential cross contaminations from other items made at their processing plants.

   



ponygurl @ Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:08 am

Vic.. you are pretty much right on.

Education is the key in this. Parents of these kids have to be diligent about educating... , but chiildren cannot critically determine at age 6 that little Johnny's mother, who appears so nice and pleasant would bake these cookies to share with the class and use peanut oil because she thinks that being responsible for other kids safety is hogwash.
Therefore.. hopefully.. the teacher steps in and makes sure the allergic child doesn't eat homebaked goods.

If it was my child? I wouldn't trust a soul when their life was o the line. But that's because I know there are some pretty pathetic pukes of people out there.

   



ponygurl @ Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:12 am

lily lily:
We had our own pigs, cows and chickens. I learned how to finesse dinner invites on butchering day.

Fresh liver........ PDT_Armataz_01_32


I hated chicken slaughtering day with a passion as a kid. We had to help, #1.. and then my mother would leave the chickens soaking in a tub of water on the kitchen floor waiting to be washed after supper.. because we usually slaughtered all day and washed after supper to pop in the freezer.

Soo.. she would COOK fresh chicken..(gag) and we'd have to look at the freshly gutted chickens o the floor while we ate.

It's a wonder I"m not in psychotherapy..

   



Nik @ Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:49 pm

I can see the dangers of peanuts, I mean, I have a friend who is severly allergic to peanuts. But, our high school isn't peanut free or anything..and I know many people allergic to peanuts in high school too. So, I don't know why they only enforce it in elementary schools.

   



ArmyMan @ Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:34 am

I agree with one of the first posts, where have all these people come from, going though school, we didn't have a problem with all this peanut/nut stuff. While I comply with it all, I'm still wondering where it all come from.

One "funny" allergy that we have to work with at my kid's school is a marshmallow allergy. No treats with them are aloud in the school. Anyone every heard to that? 8O

   



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