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thirdEye @ Thu Feb 05, 2004 8:44 pm

Just wait until Cherry gets going now! Marian Hossa gets a huge gash from a shattered visor and spills blood all over the ice. He's going to go to town with that one.

RH, one of my biggest complaints with our government is with their treatment of veterans. An article in another thread I posted tells of a veteran across the river from here in Quebec who was charged and tried entirely in French. He doesn't understand French. This man fought in WW2 for our country so it could deny him the right to a fair trial. Imagine that.

   



Zyzzyxx @ Thu Feb 05, 2004 9:08 pm

:roll: thats all i have to say

   



Pokergod @ Fri Feb 06, 2004 2:33 am

Sorry, but I grew up in and have lived in BC all my life. I've been to Quebec twice and both times was treated by 90% of the populace like a piece of trash because I don't speak French. They expect everyone in the country to label things in both languages, yet in Quebec they run people out of town on a rail for having english text the same size as French. I may as well have been a leper from the way I was treated. It was disgusting and highly insulting. If Cherry wants to spout off about the French, let him. You'd be surprised by just how many non-Quebecers agree with him.
As far as I'm concerned, the only time Quebec is part of Canada is when they're getting their oversized handouts from the feds. Otherwise they'd just be happy to go off and ignore every other Canadian out there.

   



Evan @ Fri Feb 06, 2004 4:59 am

Well thats what they have been trying to do for years. They have been trying to seperate from Canada for I dont know how long. I just wonder if they would still use our mone, healthcare, social systems? I say if they want to seperate fine go ahead. Then yank out our money, healthcare and social systems then use the military to take it back and take away all the rights they had before with language. Declare Canada an English Country and continue on. See how they like that.

   



thirdEye @ Fri Feb 06, 2004 7:06 am

Here is a column on the topic, that pretty much sums up the way I feel:

The commissioner's obscured vision

Canada is becoming a police state - a language police state.

   



Marlins75 @ Fri Feb 06, 2004 7:52 am

Evan, the only people in Quebec that want to separate are over 60 and dying off. The new generation of Quebekers are as Canadian as you get. Did you notice that the Bloc is a dying breed in parliament? I think the greater threat of separatism lies in the province of Alberta. Me living in the west now, notice how they want to be part of the U.S. it seems.

And as for you pokergod, that's a shame that you were treated like that. However, I was treated the same, if not more poorly when I moved to Saskatchewan when I was a youth, barely knowing any english and learning the anti-french over here. The argument would be the same if you moved to Nunavut and were shunned upon for not knowing Inuinnaqtun. Or moving up north in any of the provinces and not knowing Cree or Dene, Newfoundland and their Irish/Canuck language, or parts of BC and the Manadarin Chinese language. The country is so vast, that you can't expect everyone to appreciate English all the time. I for one, have a friend that was born and raised in Sk and has moved to Quebec around 5 years ago. He was never hassled for not knowing french, rather was supported for learning the language. He can now talk french as if it were his mother tongue.

   



Evan @ Fri Feb 06, 2004 8:33 am

Brings up a good point. Most of the time its not the entire people but a few dickheads that you have a bad experience with. I suppose thats what happens to all of us and then all of a sudden the french, chinese, english are bad people. Which is funny cause as marlins75 said we are all Canadian.

   



Rev_Blair @ Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:24 pm

Except Don Cherry...he's an alien from the planet Kumquat. His mission on earth is to promote violence and discord. He couldn't handle that though, so he became a hockey commentator. :lol:

   



RoyalHighlander @ Fri Feb 06, 2004 6:07 pm

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/02/06/cherry040206

TORONTO - The CBC has announced it is taking steps to tone down controversial Hockey Night in Canada commentator Don Cherry.

Harold Redekopp, the executive vice-president of CBC Television, says the network will put Cherry on a seven-second delay after he made "inappropriate and reprehensible personal" comments during the broadcast on Jan. 24.
During the first period intermission Cherry spoke out about players wearing visors on their helmets. In full flight he said, "most of the guys that wear them are Europeans or French guys ..."

The remark was roundly criticized by French language groups across the country. Canada's Official Languages Commissioner Dyan Adam also noticed. A spokesperson said the commissioner feels it's an "important enough issue that she's going to investigate" whether Cherry's remarks violate the Official Languages Act.

In his news release on Friday, Redekopp said CBC Television "categorically rejects and denounces his opinions," while at the same time acknowledging that Cherry has been "an important part of the Canadian hockey scene as a player, coach and commentator over the past five decades.

"Fans across the country have tuned in to Hockey Night in Canada's Coach's Corner for over 20 years because of his insights and understanding of the game," the release said.

But, Redekopp says, Cherry's remarks were "inappropriate and reprehensible opinion as part of his discussion about the use of visors." His comments on Jan. 24, said Redekopp, "stepped beyond the role."

Cherry has been in trouble many times before for his controversial comments, which aren't limited to hockey.

Last year, he and host Ron MacLean stirred up a hornets' nest when they spent an entire Coach's Corner discussing Canada's decision not to join the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

In 1998, CBC ombudsman David Bazay ruled Cherry went too far when he ranted about Jean-Luc Brassard being selected as Canada's flag-bearer at Nagano Olympics. Cherry called the Olympic gold medalist "a French guy, some skier that nobody knows about."

Cherry has also taken on Quebec nationalists, saying "they don't like the Canadian flag but they want our money, we bail them out. I've never seen such a bunch of whiners in my life."

The CBC will now put Coach's Corner on a seven-second delay. "This practice is common on many live broadcasts and is in effect immediately," Redekopp said.

The controversy swept across Parliament on Friday, too. The Bloc Québécois called Cherry's remarks racist. And Denis Coderre the minister responsible for la Francophonie, says he's fed up with Cherry.

"Frankly, I think that when you are talking about it and calling the Frenchmen wimps, I mean it's unacceptable."

NDP Leader Jack Layton said he was annoyed by the implication about French Canadian hockey players. "One of my most vivid memories is going to the Montreal Forum with my dad, at age six, and seeing Boom Boom Geoffrion, Maurice Richard, the Pocket Rocket [Henri Richard], playing the most amazing hockey. They are some of the greatest hockey players in Canadian history."

But Conservative MP Peter MacKay said people are overreacting. "It seems to be more of a commentary on their style of play, as opposed to anything to do with their language or ethnic origins."



Written by CBC News Online staff

   



Rev_Blair @ Fri Feb 06, 2004 8:26 pm

I'm with Jack on this one...One of my early memories is sitting in our living room in Regina during the FLQ Crisis and knowing Dad was okay because we could hear him yelling in the Forum...he's one of those little short guys with a huge voice.

Cherry has taken more than few shots at Quebec over the years. This was just another exhibition of his ignorance and intolerance. I'm glad they put him on a delay, but they should have fired him years ago.

   



Mukluk @ Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:40 pm

Marlins75 Marlins75:
Me living in the west now, notice how they want to be part of the U.S. it seems...

However, I was treated the same, if not more poorly when I moved to Saskatchewan when I was a youth, barely knowing any english and learning the anti-french over here...

I for one, have a friend that was born and raised in Sk and has moved to Quebec around 5 years ago. He was never hassled for not knowing french, rather was supported for learning the language. He can now talk french as if it were his mother tongue.


Give me a break. For every story you have about westerners being anti-Quebec someone has a story about people from Quebec being anti-west. Talk like that is the reason there are tensions and people get their backs up.

As for SK, Doesn't every Church in SK have french mass? There are hundreds of french communities in SK and between it and Manitoba you are painting a lot of people with a pretty broad brush. Kids treat kids differently when they don't speak the tongue. Fat kids, skinny kids, short kids, tall kids, kids with lisps, kids that have a bum leg...etc. Please don't try to tie that to some child being anti-Quebec.

Back on topic, Don Cherry said Europeeans and French guys wear visors. Do they? I think they do. Sounds like a statistic to me, the fact that you take offense is your problem. If someone laughed at you for wearing your seatbelt would you call the CBC to complain? Do you teach your child that sometimes people will make fun of them for doing something and they should....(insert your own parenting decision here)?

Good grief.
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othello @ Fri Feb 13, 2004 12:33 pm

I think the greater problem with Don Cherry's comments is that he stated that all hockey players who wear masks are wimps. That's a nice message for the kids to hear, eh? Don's usually good for telling kids to keep their heads up and learn how to take a check, but this time, I think he's sent the wrong message, and no one seems to care.

   



Evan @ Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:17 pm

I never liked that guy. He would ruin the entire game for me. I usually took that time to goto the bathroom.

   



doubledeuce @ Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:45 pm

Mukluk Mukluk:
Marlins75 Marlins75:

Back on topic, Don Cherry said Europeeans and French guys wear visors. Do they? I think they do. Sounds like a statistic to me, the fact that you take offense is your problem. If someone laughed at you for wearing your seatbelt would you call the CBC to complain? Do you teach your child that sometimes people will make fun of them for doing something and they should....(insert your own parenting decision here)?

Good grief.
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I agree with Mukluk. Sure Grapes gets out of line now and then. But think about it. Don is your basic Canadian blue collar worker he tells it like it is. People do not have to agree with him. I saw a bio on him yesterday. It was damn good. He said once he was talking to a french coach in the NHL I forget who. He told Don he would rather have french players on his team Don respected him for that remark and the french coach respected Don because he said he would rather have english players.
I like Cherry he is a very knowledgible man when it comes to hockey. It is a sad day when the Canadian govt has nothing better to do than dis Grapes when there is this billion dollar scandle going on.

   



Rev_Blair @ Fri Feb 13, 2004 5:14 pm

We're a big country...we can bitch about more than one scandal at a time.

   



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