Message to ‘Moderate’ Muslims
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stratos @ Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:24 pm
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Exactly. Because the only thing you have done is attack me.
actulay brenda if you call disputing and discrediting your arguments as attacking then yes I have been. If you consider attaking as name calling, and or throwing insults then no I have not attacked you once in this thread.
stratos @ Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:26 pm
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yes I did look at the link you posted but before I could post a reponse question about it you throw out an insult.
Awww, poor victim...
Awww, poor victim...
And yes I guess I am a victim of Brenda's lack of ability to debate with out throwing insults, cussing and avoidence.
raydan @ Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:32 pm
stratos stratos:
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I'll go opposite to what everybody else is saying... I don't really mind if they don't assimilate... there's only one thing they must accept when they come here, that they will be treated like every other Canadian... that is, no special laws, considerations and accommodations.
And that is very rational yet at the same time if these same people have been raised in a society that teaches hate to the west and as a society has shown repeated acts of hostility would you actualy trust them to even ahere to your rational request?
I've only met moderate Muslims, most of them people I've worked with... including a used-car salesman Iranian with a Jewish girlfriend.
stratos @ Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:36 pm
Brenda Brenda:
stratos stratos:
$1:
I'll go opposite to what everybody else is saying... I don't really mind if they don't assimilate... there's only one thing they must accept when they come here, that they will be treated like every other Canadian... that is, no special laws, considerations and accommodations.
And that is very rational yet at the same time if these same people have been raised in a society that teaches hate to the west and as a society has shown repeated acts of hostility would you actualy trust them to even ahere to your rational request?
Wouldn't any refugee have that problem tho, of being raised in an unsafe society?
I'm thinking child soldiers and all that. Fleeing from violence, oppressed by their government...
If you look at the CIC link, all those refugees come from war-torn countries.
Exactly how Raydan and I talking about imigrtants is now solely about refugees, got there exactly how? But I will answer it with the same question that you have avoided over and over. Why is it that other muslim countries can not take in these refugees and that the west MUST take them in. The argument because it is the Chritian way holds no watter coming from you so please do not use that again.
Jonny_C @ Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:37 pm
The point is that we don't want people in this country who want us to change our culture to suit theirs. Accommodation must be a one way street, with all things left behind that conflict with our culture. That doesn't mean leaving behind a heritage language and customs that involve food, dress or many other minor things when they do not create conflict.
Brenda @ Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:38 pm
stratos stratos:
Brenda Brenda:
stratos stratos:
And that is very rational yet at the same time if these same people have been raised in a society that teaches hate to the west and as a society has shown repeated acts of hostility would you actualy trust them to even ahere to your rational request?
Wouldn't any refugee have that problem tho, of being raised in an unsafe society?
I'm thinking child soldiers and all that. Fleeing from violence, oppressed by their government...
If you look at the CIC link, all those refugees come from war-torn countries.
Exactly how Raydan and I talking about imigrtants is now solely about refugees, got there exactly how? But I will answer it with the same question that you have avoided over and over. Why is it that other muslim countries can not take in these refugees and that the west MUST take them in. The argument because it is the Chritian way holds no watter coming from you so please do not use that again.
So you have not checked that link.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/canada.asp
Because Canada, as well as a lot of other nations, agreed to do that.
stratos @ Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:41 pm
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I've only met moderate Muslims, most of them people I've worked with... including a used-car salesman Iranian with a Jewish girlfriend.
I've meet both moderate Muslims and not so moderate, from many diff countries, and no the majority of them were not out to kill me or what ever. Yet at the same time someone raised in a culture that preaches death to the west is at best held in suspecion by me for a very very long time.
stratos @ Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:45 pm
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So you have not checked that link.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/canada.asp
Because Canada, as well as a lot of other nations, agreed to do that.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/canada.asp
Because Canada, as well as a lot of other nations, agreed to do that.
Yes I did look at the link already said I did and yes I seen where Canada signed on to the refugee status deal. Yet they and any other nation can back out of it with what I posted earlier. It does not disciminate based on religion, race, or what ever. It clearly states that anyone coming from a nation that has shown to be hostile to the host nation shall not be granted entrance. Why is that so hard to understand.
Brenda @ Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:45 pm
Btw, Stratos, I did answer that. I said "they do as well". Where do you think the millions of Syrian refugees are now? NOT here.
stratos @ Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:46 pm
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The point is that we don't want people in this country who want us to change our culture to suit theirs. Accommodation must be a one way street, with all things left behind that conflict with our culture. That doesn't mean leaving behind a heritage language and customs that involve food, dress or many other minor things when they do not create conflict.
wow it even let me rep you for it. 
peck420 @ Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:48 pm
Our refugee system is really a whole separate animal from our immigration system, so why is it even being discussed?
I have yet to meet anybody from either system's administration that will argue how much harder it is for refugees to assimilate then immigrants.
Most refugees were not planning on leaving their country, they were forced.
Immigrants, on the other hand, know the score from day one...this is the country I want to go to, and this is their laws, customs, and culture.
I have far more patience for legitimate refugees having cultural issues then immigrants having cultural issues.
stratos @ Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:59 pm
peck420 peck420:
Our refugee system is really a whole separate animal from our immigration system, so why is it even being discussed?
I have yet to meet anybody from either system's administration that will argue how much harder it is for refugees to assimilate then immigrants.
Most refugees were not planning on leaving their country, they were forced.
Immigrants, on the other hand, know the score from day one...this is the country I want to go to, and this is their laws, customs, and culture.
I have far more patience for legitimate refugees having cultural issues then immigrants having cultural issues.
I have yet to meet anybody from either system's administration that will argue how much harder it is for refugees to assimilate then immigrants.
Most refugees were not planning on leaving their country, they were forced.
Immigrants, on the other hand, know the score from day one...this is the country I want to go to, and this is their laws, customs, and culture.
I have far more patience for legitimate refugees having cultural issues then immigrants having cultural issues.
And you touched on one of my points of, seeing has how it would be far more dificult for a refugee to adjust to such a radicaly diffrent society with them being utterly unpreparied for the change. Shouldn't a refugee seek asylum in a cluterly simular enviroment. In this case another muslim country?
stratos @ Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:04 pm
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Btw, Stratos, I did answer that. I said "they do as well". Where do you think the millions of Syrian refugees are now? NOT here.
Then why are you even argueing that they should be let in seeing as how the muslim countries are taking care of the war refugee's that are of a simular culture. There must be no reason for the west to take in even one refugee. Then again those are refugee camps. Those camps contain the refugees so they do not meld into the society. They are kept seperate and encurage to seek refugee status with western nations.
peck420 @ Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:11 pm
stratos stratos:
Shouldn't a refugee seek asylum in a cluterly simular enviroment. In this case another muslim country?
Should they? Sure.
Can they? In the vast majority of cases, not really.
It would be wonderful if every culture had countries, of like culture, willing to step up to the plate, but that is not the reality we face.
That being said, the number of refugees coming in is hardly the problem. Same with their cultural and assimilation difficulties. They are a proverbial 'drop in the bucket' (approx 250,000 immigrants vs 13,000 refugees).
stratos @ Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:01 pm
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/25/world ... d=all&_r=0
Link showing how they are basicly camps and not places used to bring them into the society but to keep them from it.
http://millionsoulsaware.org/
Showing how these refugee camps are exactly that camps not areas being used to intigrate people just to warehouse them.
http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpre ... m-in-west/
"Turkey, tired of it all, suggested “international safe zones,” camps inside Syria, but Guterres says NO! He is essentially saying here that UN camps would signal that this is a temporary situation, that they are going home in a short while, and he wants to keep the media pressure on so as not to “undermine the right of refugees to seek asylum in other countries.”"
Well short on time and can't find a link about refugees being encuraged to apply for asylum so at this time I'll retract it for for now at least.
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