U.S. among top 4 executioners: Amnesty International
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It is not only up to the US to impose new, harsher restrictions though, our neighbors and allies must as well if we are to defeat international terrorism.
I agree with that assessment, Doug, but I don't agree with racial profiling either.
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It's only a matter of time before someone flies a plane into the Toronto Tower.
Maybe, but unlikely. I know that it's hard to grasp, but we are pretty much liked and respected in various lands across the world. This doesn't seem to be the case with our southern neighbour though.
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Canada must ante up if it's wants to continue to enjoy the protection that the US's "big-brother-military".
Canada already has in more ways than you think. Please
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Racial profiling is a red herring. If you get indigestion ten times, and nine of those times you ate jalepeno peppers, logic dictates that you stray from eating jalepenos in the future. If you are attacked by terrorists ten times, and all ten times those terroists are of the Arab persuation...well you get the picture. Racial profiling...nah..just common sense.
Canada has been a strong American ally, and I hope they continue to be so, but Canada cannot become complacent and fell as though they are not suseptable to terror. Ask Spain, or Saudi Arabia, or the Phillipines, or Japan, or Russia, etc etc etc.
Doug said,
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I live here. You do not. International stats mean nothing. I'm flattered though that they keep such close tabs on what we do (or what they think we do).
UNfortunately we must restrict the press in Iraq right now to curb the terrorist threat. After the terror calms down, the free press will rise...if the Muslims allow it, that is.
Reporters Without borders rates everybody, Doug. So do all the other groups. Don't feel flattered or picked on. Instead wonder why you tied with Greece when evaluated for press freedom. Better yet, don't say that your country is better than any other country in that area when the ratings show otherwise. You might try actually checking out the links too.
International stats and opinions mean a great deal the second you do anything that has an effect outside of your own borders. Remeber a long, long time ago when your leaders decided that clubbing hippies at the Democratic Convention was a cool new sport? The hippies started chanting, "The whole world is watching." Your country dived into decline shortly after that and you didn't recover until the world forgot what you did.
Guess what? The whole world is watching again. The world doesn't really care if you are clubbing hippies or murdering Iraqis, they just want you to cut it out and start acting like a responsible, grown up country.
Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:
Doug said,
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I live here. You do not. International stats mean nothing. I'm flattered though that they keep such close tabs on what we do (or what they think we do).
UNfortunately we must restrict the press in Iraq right now to curb the terrorist threat. After the terror calms down, the free press will rise...if the Muslims allow it, that is.
Reporters Without borders rates everybody, Doug. So do all the other groups. Don't feel flattered or picked on. Instead wonder why you tied with Greece when evaluated for press freedom. Better yet, don't say that your country is better than any other country in that area when the ratings show otherwise. You might try actually checking out the links too.
International stats and opinions mean a great deal the second you do anything that has an effect outside of your own borders. Remeber a long, long time ago when your leaders decided that clubbing hippies at the Democratic Convention was a cool new sport? The hippies started chanting, "The whole world is watching." Your country dived into decline shortly after that and you didn't recover until the world forgot what you did.
Guess what? The whole world is watching again. The world doesn't really care if you are clubbing hippies or murdering Iraqis, they just want you to cut it out and start acting like a responsible, grown up country.
There's alot of countries that need to grow up, and saying that the whole world is waiting for the US to grow up is pretty incorrect. Every country has its good and bad sides. Basically what this all comes down to is the mindset the Europeans have of being superior to everyone else, including Americans, and of being more civilized. I mean come on, countries in Europe telling the US they need to grow up after they have started 2 world wars? I didn't see the US starting those world wars, but I saw countries in Europe starting them.
What countries are watching the US? China? Russia? Countries in the middle east? If any countries need to start acting more responsible, it's the middle eastern countries, who are FAR more grown up than the US, yet they have the worst governments and terrible living conditions, and on top of all that they let terrorism grow and most terrorist come out of their countries. Now, you can blame the US for all the terrorist problems in the world, but if you have ever watched palestinian Tv, you would notice alot of propaganda about being a suicide bomber, and how great it is. You think Iran is telling their people that terrorism is bad? No, they are saying Death to America every weekend and making terrorist. Now, the US is no innocent little puppy, but I can't really see how it matters if the world is watching the US, because the world is just as fucked up as the US....
Oh, and let me say that I know that there are Americans who are arrogant and stupid and love their country blindly, but I really do believe that Europeans look at themselves as more civilized and superior to Americans. I might be incorrect, but from my own experiences with Europeans, I was usually looked down upon like some barbarian.
What the United States is practising is colonialism, Johnny. No western state is completely innocent of it, especially not the European countries. Nobody is saying that they are.
The US is the dominant state right now though and they are the state that's running around starting illegal wars and undermining democratic movements all over the planet.
It isn't which countries are watching, it is the whole world. People, governments, non-governmental organisations, international organisations, human rights groups, the international media...the whole world. The general consensus is that the US is acting like a thug.
Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:
What the United States is practising is colonialism, Johnny. No western state is completely innocent of it, especially not the European countries. Nobody is saying that they are.
The US is the dominant state right now though and they are the state that's running around starting illegal wars and undermining democratic movements all over the planet.
It isn't which countries are watching, it is the whole world. People, governments, non-governmental organisations, international organisations, human rights groups, the international media...the whole world. The general consensus is that the US is acting like a thug.
Illegal wars? You mean Iraq? The country that had numerous warnings from the UN to shape up or else? Well we were the "else". The UN doesn't have the balls to back up it's threats...well the US does. The UN has made itself totally irrelevant because of it's inaction. Not only in Iraq, but everywhere. Israel, Rwanda, Somalia, Congo, etc etc etc.
Canada sure does want a piece of the reconstruction contracts in Iraq. Canada obviously doesn't think it's too illegal to cash in on.
Robair @ Wed Apr 14, 2004 6:55 am
Doug_McKenzie Doug_McKenzie:
Canada sure does want a piece of the reconstruction contracts in Iraq. Canada obviously doesn't think it's too illegal to cash in on.
Canada is in Afghanistan hunting down the people actually responsible for attacking New York you ignorant prick. Not to mention cleaning up the rubble the US army left behind to go 'conduct a crusade' in Iraq.
The war is illegal, if it was legal, Canada along with the rest of the UN would be there.
An act of aggresion is illegal. This includes parking a war ship of the coast of another country and firing two missles at its dictator.
Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:
Doug said,
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I live here. You do not. International stats mean nothing. I'm flattered though that they keep such close tabs on what we do (or what they think we do).
UNfortunately we must restrict the press in Iraq right now to curb the terrorist threat. After the terror calms down, the free press will rise...if the Muslims allow it, that is.
Reporters Without borders rates everybody, Doug. So do all the other groups. Don't feel flattered or picked on. Instead wonder why you tied with Greece when evaluated for press freedom. Better yet, don't say that your country is better than any other country in that area when the ratings show otherwise. You might try actually checking out the links too.
International stats and opinions mean a great deal the second you do anything that has an effect outside of your own borders. Remeber a long, long time ago when your leaders decided that clubbing hippies at the Democratic Convention was a cool new sport? The hippies started chanting, "The whole world is watching." Your country dived into decline shortly after that and you didn't recover until the world forgot what you did.
Guess what? The whole world is watching again. The world doesn't really care if you are clubbing hippies or murdering Iraqis, they just want you to cut it out and start acting like a responsible, grown up country.
Journalists are, traditionally and typically, very liberal folks. They won't feel like they are free until they can have 100% journalistic freedom. Aside from making threats and telling flat out lies they do have 100% freedom in America. I fail to see the problem...other than the liberal press is sometimes spat on by mainstream America for spinning the truth. Conservatives do it to, but they do it on the radio...and in the White House.
Robair Robair:
Doug_McKenzie Doug_McKenzie:
Canada sure does want a piece of the reconstruction contracts in Iraq. Canada obviously doesn't think it's too illegal to cash in on.
Canada is in Afghanistan hunting down the people actually responsible for attacking New York you ignorant prick. Not to mention cleaning up the rubble the US army left behind to go 'conduct a crusade' in Iraq.
The war is illegal, if it was legal, Canada along with the rest of the UN would be there.
An act of aggresion is illegal. This includes parking a war ship of the coast of another country and firing two missles at its dictator.
I didn't say anything about Afghanistan. I appreciate Canada's contribution to the war on terror, but they balked in Iraq, therefor they can suck on it. They can't expect the US to do all the hard work and then just hand over lucrative reconstruction contract to countries that didn't help???
Terror is everywhere, not just Afghanistan. If Canada was serious about fighting side by side with us they would realize that. They should make themselves available in every venue that terror pokes it's head up...including Iraq. Saddam Hussein was a terrorist. He terrorized 25 million people...raping, torturing, and murdering hundreds of thousands of them. Any humane country would feel obligated to remove him from power. While the UN dragged it's feet....thousands of people died. Same in Rwanda. Same in the Congo. etc etc etc
AdamNF AdamNF:
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I appreciate Canada's contribution to the war on terror, but they balked in Iraq, therefor they can suck on it. They can't expect the US to do all the hard work
The thing is, its not a war on terror, It's a war on radical Islam. I agree that radical islam needs to be stoped but sending in troops will only make it worse, they need to fight it at the heart of the problem. Why do the people of the Islamic world hate the USA, its becasue the USA backs and supports their opresers. The USA supports the most ruthless dictatars that make Saddam look like mr. rogers. Saddam was media friendly and well known thats why they went after him. Google it or ask Rev. There are many many dictatorships more ruthless then Saddam that the USA supports.
The USA installs dictators then years down the road they invaide thier countires. The USA needs to stop asking for help if there not goingf to stop starting the wars in the first place.
Does nobody here offer any proof to back up their statements? You spew all these unsubstantiated myths about America here, and then tell me to go look it up? America picks it's battles very carefully. What ruthless dictator would you like to see us remove next? Kim Jong Il gets my vote.
AdamNF @ Wed Apr 14, 2004 9:14 am
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I appreciate Canada's contribution to the war on terror, but they balked in Iraq, therefor they can suck on it. They can't expect the US to do all the hard work
The thing is, its not a war on terror, It's a war on radical Islam. I agree that radical islam needs to be stoped but sending in troops will only make it worse, they need to fight it at the heart of the problem. Why do the people of the Islamic world hate the USA, its becasue the USA backs and supports their opresers. The USA supports the most ruthless dictatars that make Saddam look like mr. rogers. Saddam was media friendly and well known thats why they went after him. Google it or ask Rev. There are many many dictatorships more ruthless then Saddam that the USA supports.
The USA installs dictators then years down the road they invaide thier countires. The USA needs to stop asking for help if there not goingf to stop starting the wars in the first place.
AdamNF AdamNF:
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I appreciate Canada's contribution to the war on terror, but they balked in Iraq, therefor they can suck on it. They can't expect the US to do all the hard work
The thing is, its not a war on terror, It's a war on radical Islam. I agree that radical islam needs to be stoped but sending in troops will only make it worse, they need to fight it at the heart of the problem. Why do the people of the Islamic world hate the USA, its becasue the USA backs and supports their opresers. The USA supports the most ruthless dictatars that make Saddam look like mr. rogers. Saddam was media friendly and well known thats why they went after him. Google it or ask Rev. There are many many dictatorships more ruthless then Saddam that the USA supports.
The USA installs dictators then years down the road they invaide thier countires. The USA needs to stop asking for help if there not goingf to stop starting the wars in the first place.
Sadaam sure was agreat guy, why, all those mass graves and wars he started with his nieghbors were just an imagination, right? Sadaam also has supported suicide bombers in the palestine israel conflict. Now, I know all of you are liberals, and you will scream "it's all israel, they deserve terrorist attacks" and so on, but I don't think any country deserves to have their buses blown up, and there is concrete proof that Sadaam was supporting the terrorist by paying thier families money for doing suicide bombings. Now, Israel is not innocent, and is just as much to blame, but this shows that Sadaam was supporting terrorism. Lets look a Haiti, where the US had taken Aristide out some years ago, let him return, only to find out alot of people hate him and that he was dealing drugs and was very currupt. The sad thing about all the US interventions in alot of countries, is that the same, currupt, ruling families end up staying in power, with maybe a new leader.
Robair @ Wed Apr 14, 2004 12:00 pm
Johnny, Doug, can either of you tell me why the US went to war in Iraq? Simple question.
Robair Robair:
Johnny, Doug, can either of you tell me why the US went to war in Iraq? Simple question.
Saddam Hussein and the Bathe Party were torturing, raping, and murdering thousands of innocent people.
We are planting the seeds of democracy. Eventually it will come to fruition and it will spread like wildfire throughout the Middle East. Iran, then Egypt, the Saudi Arabia.
Hussein, as we have seen, is capable of creating quite a problem for his neighbors. A pre-emptive strike was best for the region.
Robair @ Wed Apr 14, 2004 3:21 pm
Doug_McKenzie Doug_McKenzie:
Saddam Hussein and the Bathe Party were torturing, raping, and murdering thousands of innocent people.
Yea... 15 years ago... when the US was still backing him...
Doug_McKenzie Doug_McKenzie:
We are planting the seeds of democracy. Eventually it will come to fruition and it will spread like wildfire throughout the Middle East. Iran, then Egypt, the Saudi Arabia.
What a lovely little pipe dream. Actually, you're probably creating the next generation of terrorists. You know, little kids that are going to grow up in an Iraq with US millitary bases...
Doug_McKenzie Doug_McKenzie:
Hussein, as we have seen, is capable of creating quite a problem for his neighbors. A pre-emptive strike was best for the region.
And of course, who better to be the sole judge of
that then Geroge Duh-bya?!
Wrong wrong
WRONG!
The US went to war because Sadam was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction and posed a very large global threat, remember?
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saddam hussein................murdering thousands of innocent poeple
and how many innocent iraqi people died at teh hands of george bush (both of them!)?