Canada Kicks Ass
Why I hate all Canadian Internet providers.

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martin14 @ Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:15 am

herbie herbie:
I'm not getting my money's worth, I'm paying $50 a month and haver a bandwidth cap!
WWWAAAAAHHHHH!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
You want 10Mb service with no cap? Then shell out over $2000 a month.
Or you can take one of my heavily subsidized by your tax dollar feeds with a 250GB cap and $5 a Gig over. Only $600 a month.

You don't have a fucking clue.



Wow, Herbie, take it easy, you'll give yourself a heart attack.

And now I will make you even more unhappy. ;)


7 Mb in Italy, flat rate 30 euros (about $50) a month.. no caps or extra charges.

3 Mb in Spain, flat rate 20 euros, no caps or limits.

10 Mb in Slovakia, fibre optic, flat rate 15 euros a month.. no caps or extras.


Havent seen an extra bandwidth charge for more than 6 years now..
and thats over here in Communist Europe.


You sit right beside the nexus of the internet, and you are getting fucked.

You are not complaining enough, and finding creative solutions here.

You all have caps because you permit it to happen, plain and simple... enjoy.

   



Brenda @ Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:34 am

But Martin... EUROPE SUCKS! [/sarcasm]


:roll:

   



herbie @ Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:23 am

That's the problem: we sit beside the whole 'nexus'. And Canada has one main pissy little string of fiber with a few small branches off it.
One crashed logging truck took out services to all of northwestern BC for a day 2 years ago. One crashed router knocked out out ALL the ATMs in northern BC a month ago.
Just a couple weeks back one bad router took out connectivity to Msoft, Google and half the US for 3/4 of BC.
We aren't Europe or the USA with a real "Net". Like I said, more like a tree. All our main cities are strung out near the border. There aren't enough cross connections into the US at the border either.
It will take 5 - 10 years to get to the infrastructure level where we could match the US and Europe today.
And there's no guarantee - the telcos may not to invest the money they're hosing us for. Not unless the Boardroom sees return on investment. We're all hooked up already in the main population centers, there isn't any real ROI hooking the small ones.
And there is no way to "order them to" since deregulation.
That's my whole fucking gripe, Joe Blow thinks I should be obligated to spend $1000 to get his $20. Joe Blow thinks the gov't should order me to spend $1000 to get his $20.
Then Joe Blow shows up at a vote every four years and reaffirms business is doing it right. Joe won't wait for the market forces he believes in to work!
This country isn't built yet and it will take a hundred years to match the gains made from 1945-1965 relying strictly on the free market to finish the job.

   



Brenda @ Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:31 am

I always said Canada was 20 years behind :lol:

   



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Proculation @ Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:49 am

There's also all this "throttling" thing. Since all Internet providers for DSL use Bell lines, they are all throttled to 30Kb/s after 5pm. Yesterday I was updating my Linux box and it took me all the evening for 300Mb ! Before I went with Bell, I was with another provider: 29,99$, 4mbits, unlimited, no throttling.

   



Patish @ Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:33 pm

My turn make somebody unhappy.
10Mb is about $40, the new one is 30Mb don't know the price.

Brenda Brenda:
I always said Canada was 20 years behind :lol:


Brenda, you've upset me. :cry:

   



wildrosegirl @ Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:42 pm

I pay $40/mo and have no cap.


Note: You are made aware of what the terms are before you ever sign up with these companies, so why are you crying foul? The providers didn't knock you over the head and force you to sign with them. Granted, if you don't have any real options, it sucks (been there many times), but you still agreed to the terms. If you don't like it, you have two choices - change your surfing habits so you don't go over the cap or disconnect your internet. It really is that simple.

   



commanderkai @ Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:47 pm

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
Rogers doesn't have that competition. They keep buying out everybody. The only other company you can choose is Bell but you pretty much know how much they suck and are no different than rogers. Unti'll a good quality cable/internet provider comes around offering low prices for everybody to switch too. We got to stick with rogers and there prices.


Actually I have Cogeco, which is either owned by Rogers, or somehow hasn't been bought out yet. Rogers does offer something here, but their rates are seemingly higher for this "Mobile Internet" service. I was shafted by Bell last year.

Also, I'd like to add this. It's Thanksgiving, so I brought my desktop to the United States as I stay with my parents. So what the hell, I'll try getting the game once more (Does anybody know Impulse? It's based off Steam...but only gamers should know anything about that). And it works! What was happening, and what was pissing me off was that I purchased a game off Impulse, who downloads it from their server. Only problem is, there was an MD5s error that kept stopping the download. So, if it was any hardware/software issue of my own, the problem should still occur here, but lo and behold, it's working fine.

I've found one service, but it only offers itself in Toronto. I'm going to look for satellite based Internet next, or maybe I'll just sign up for DirectTV and hook up the dish from my apartment in Windsor. The problem comes down to lack of competition, and the fact that us Canadians seemingly just accept getting shafted by these companies.

   



herbie @ Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:25 pm

Satellite has dreadful latency. Horrid for playng games, expensive, slow.
Where do you live you can't get a DSL or cable?

   



BartSimpson @ Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:52 pm

Patish Patish:
I'm from Israel. :)
We don't have that silly "Bandwidth charges". I think only cellphone companies have it.


ישראל הוא מדהים!

It also has more cowbell than any other ME nation. [B-o]

   



DrCaleb @ Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:45 pm

Thought you might like this Herb.

$1:
A study released this week by the Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard Law School this week, which compared broadband service across thirty OECD countries has concluded that Canada’s is lagging most developed countries in critical broadband measures.

Despite high penetration rates, researchers found Canada to rank low on critical measures such as download speeds, 3G mobile Next Generation Connectivity and most importantly, pricing.


http://www.digitalhome.ca/2009/10/study ... -too-slow/

   



ShepherdsDog @ Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:00 pm

herbie herbie:
Satellite has dreadful latency. Horrid for playng games, expensive, slow.
Where do you live you can't get a DSL or cable?
unless it's a large community, that is what everything north of 55 N is like.

   



BionicBunny @ Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:20 am

I never heard of bandwith in 1999 or early 2000's and then I noticed they created it just to milk more money out of people for something that barely costs them a few pennies.

I won't go back to Shaw. Shaw treated me badly. I was one of their early customers. I had a contract stating I had unlimited bandwith for a certain payment a month. It was alright at first but then I was having speed problems. I heard from someone later that they were cramming more people onto a single line, meanwhile they fed me the usual Shaw BS. Finally came the day they called me up (and they did this to others) and told me I was using too much bandwith and that if I didn't cut back, they would charge me business rates. I reminded them of the unlimited bandwith contract and his exact reply was "yes, but it doesn't mean unlimited".

That was enough for me, I closed my account and moved to Telus. I get great service and I don't get bothered about bandwith. I get no phone calls.

And now I may switch to Telus TV since Shaw has failed to maintain a proper service for at least the past year and a half. I get digitization of the picture and high pitched squeals when trying to watch almost anything. My friend in a different area 10 miles away has the same problems so it's not me. In the past 2 years I have had them out to my house to replace cable outside my house, they replaced cable and other stuff on the power poles that was over 2 decades old. They have boosted my signal, I have installed the best cable money can buy and still when I call they give me the same old "I want you to check the connection to your TV". I got angry and gave him a history and the guy on the other end got snotty at me. I told him your poor service lost me to Telus for the internet and now I'll be talking to Telus about their TV.

Yeah, I don't like Shaw. They were nothing like Roger's Cable and wasn't worthy enough to clean their boots.

   



herbie @ Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:52 am

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
herbie herbie:
Satellite has dreadful latency. Horrid for playng games, expensive, slow.
Where do you live you can't get a DSL or cable?
unless it's a large community, that is what everything north of 55 N is like.


Well Thank GOd I'm only at 54 30....LOL

No WISPs in your area? Usually cheaper than sat, but it's like cable. Speed varies with load because it's shared (which eventually kills satISPs too). Less latency.

   



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