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Anyways,I'm off to wipe out the Japanese air force on my flight sim,take care!

   

Enjoy!

   

I'd have to agree. A few lines, specifically the one about wars, and even the crazy humans writing a book one.

So if God was a non existent entity written by crazy humans, why the fuck are you singing about him, and why not just say you don't believe the crazy humans who wrote the "book" and on top of that, why are you blaming God for human disasters, like wars? I didn't realize wars just magically happened without any human involvement.

   

Here's a question, if something doesn't exsist in reality, but we as humans think of it, and we consider it, and go so far as to try and fabricate it, does that make it exist? If one does not believe that God exists, that doesn't mean that the concept isn't still there. Doesn't mean they can't talk, write, sing etc about it.

   

Well said Lily

   

So is something exists as a part of the imagination, or as a fabrication, (meaning it still does not exist) how can you credit it for causing wars, for sunken ships, and for "drowned babes" as the song so elegantly put it?

   

That's not the point of the song. He doesn't blame God, he's saying that that God can't exist if those bad things exist. It's like a last prayer that he hopes will be answered but doesn't believe it will.

In response to your statement though, isn't it just as much of a reach for believers to praise God for all the good things they do for themselves, or good things that other people do but NOT blame him for the bad things?

   

Footprints in the Sand


One night I dreamed I was walking along the beach with the Lord.
Many scenes from my life flashed across the sky.
In each scene I noticed footprints in the sand.
Sometimes there were two sets of footprints,
other times there were one set of footprints.

This bothered me because I noticed
that during the low periods of my life,
when I was suffering from
anguish, sorrow or defeat,
I could see only one set of footprints.

So I said to the Lord,
"You promised me Lord,
that if I followed you,
you would walk with me always.
But I have noticed that during
the most trying periods of my life
there have only been one
set of footprints in the sand.
Why, when I needed you most,
you have not been there for me?"

The Lord replied,
"The times when you have
seen only one set of footprints in the sand,
is when I carried you."
Mary Stevenson


Perhaps if their is a higher being. He is the doer of neither good nor evil. That may be a human condition. Perhaps "god" is a guide in our lives, to take us through this life into the next realm, being death. For believers he gives us strength in times of need and revels with us in our joy's. Perhaps past the simplicity of this is the diversity and theology of various religions.

   

'God' is 'the good in life' that surrounds us. Created and perpetuated by all peoples, towards others and for ourselves.

'The Devil' is the evil which surrounds us. Created by 'some peoples' towards others and themselves.

'Spirituality' is the feelings, actions, and respect which we extend towards others and ourselves in our day to day lives.

IMO!

   

Sure why not? Cause it still exists in the minds of others. It's one of the biggest problems I have with the anti-athiest crowd. If you don't believe in something, than you should never mention it. Never use the word. Nothing. That's retarded.

   

You can't. I wasn't really talking about the song. You can ask yourself, if he does exist, why does he let this shit happen, but you can't blame him if you don't believe in him.

   

I'm watching Forrest Gump for the first time.
I like his take on religion.

   

There are two major assumptions in this.

1) God is the only force out there

2) God takes an active role in our lives, like playing a planetary version of the Sims.

   

Over the years in practise, I’ve met people I believed were truly evil. Not once did I ever consider any spiritual component to that belief.

What I find most curious are the vast majority of people that consider themselves to be spiritual and claim to have a strong belief in God are usually the most likely to look down on anyone else who believes in the same God but practice a different way of worshiping the same.

Of course the most over-enthusiastic God loving people I’ve dealt with personally and professionally tend to be the most narcissistic at the same time. I assume it’s just God telling them that they’re always right.

   

I can respect that.

   

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