Do Canadian Muslims belong on Reservations or in Colonies
Abbas @ Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:25 am
I didn't even think this debate was still going on. Funny, how every conversation turns into Muslims imposing Sharia Law. If you hear couple of Muslims say that they want Sharia law then I can't agree with them. This country belongs to Canadians, not us(Muslims).
-Mario- @ Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:31 am
After reading on it... Of course they would, its the base of their belief...
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Sharia law is divided into two main sections:
1. The acts of worship, or al-ibadat, these include:
1. Ritual Purification (Wudu)
2. Prayers (Salah)
3. Fasts (Sawm and Ramadan)
4. Charities (Zakat)
5. Pilgrimage to Mecca (Hajj)
2. Human interaction, or al-mu'amalat, which includes:
1. Financial transactions
2. Endowments
3. Laws of inheritance
4. Marriage, divorce, and child care
5. Foods and drinks (including ritual slaughtering and hunting)
6. Penal punishments
7. Warfare and peace
8. Judicial matters (including witnesses and forms of evidence)
The part without the alcohol I could do without...
And let the ladies can wear whatever they want to wear... No hair or ankle hiding clothes.
Abbas, I'm merely relating the results of a poll. What gets to me is that it seems like some people are so dedicated to their particular view of muslims as being peaceful, pacifistic, left-wing liberals that they are losing touch with reality. This is more the heart of what I'm getting at - the poll about sharia is just supporting information and not my key point.
Just to clarify and for the record: I have never called you a fanatic, have I? I know muslim fanatics and your presence here and your dialogue prove that you are not a fanatic.
But these same people I speak of want to marginalize you as a fanatic which is utterly dismissive of your views.
I'm finding it an odd circumstance that I'm defending you in a round-about way.
Abbas @ Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:49 am
Yes I understand bart. But, you have to understand one thing that these polls are totally bias. Think about it, as a Muslim if there was any poll that would be against the USA, wouldn't I vote?
The point is that Muslims do certain things out of emotion, same with many Americans or any other people. There is no justification in any poll because Bias is always there. Muslims are peaceful, pacifistic, and sometimes left wing liberals but there are ones just like yourself that want to blow up their enemies country to bits and pieces. Its hatred and this will last until the end of time. There will be peace but not yet, there is alot more death coming our way from both sides.
I know you have not and I am glad that you bring up some real Muslim hatred from around the world so it only gives me a chance to clear things up. As long as its in a understanding way that you present your matrial, I will always defend my religion with the best possible means. Its not only because I love my religion and thats it, its because I believe in it truely and the wording is from GOD, only if one sits down with a "normal" Muslim and trys to understand.
I am finding it odd too but its all good bro, I would do the same for oyu. I know you don't hate us all but you do hate the majority. Which is not too bad because its people that hate and then demonstrate with violence are the one's im worried about.
Thnx 
thefactremains thefactremains:
Why can't UN create a country, for them. Since every nation in the country don't want them.
I think that was tried already with Israel. And that started the whole Islamist ball rolling.
Abbas Abbas:
I know you don't hate us all but you do hate the majority.
"Majority" seems to be a big part of the issue.
The people I don't care for (I would not say "hate" and I think I have sound reasons for that) are as follows:
A) Those who want me, my family, my country, or the allies of my country converted, killed, or subjugated.
B) Those who come to the West and demand rights that they readily deny to other people in their home countries.
C) Those people,
any people - not just muslims, who come to a new country like Canada or the USA and insist on remaining as whatever they used to be instead of becoming Canadian or American. I don't want them here if they plan on remaining separate from us. They can stay where they are and do that. If you or anyone else cannot be a Canadian or an American first and then a (whatever) second then you do not belong here.
I'm of Irish lineage and while I am not a Catholic I have a lot of respect for Catholics as most of my family are Catholics.
That said, if Ireland or the Pope went to war against the USA I'd be first in line to do what needs to be done to protect my country.
This isn't just patriotism, it is a necessity in a multicultural society that we can all trust each other and rely on each other no matter what else happens.
People who are conditional or provisional in their loyalty are not loyal at all.
In World War Two Americans of German, Italian, and Japanese descent put their past loyalties behind them (with few exceptions) and fought for their new country. They chose to be Americans
first.
They belong here.
What we all share is that we put our common good ahead of our personal ambitions and, sometimes, even ahead of our other concerns.
When the United States and her allies went into Yugoslavia to stop muslimsfrom being killed don't you think that there were a few Jews in there helping to save muslims? They put aside their personal feelings and put the needs of their country
first.
So if a majority of muslims can put being American or Canadian ahead of being muslim then, of course, I have no quarrel with them.
When they created the Reservations. Lots of things were brought to the Table. LAND was on the TABLE. What would MUSLIMS bring to the table? Besides body-odor.

-Mario- @ Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:32 am
thefactremains thefactremains:
When they created the Reservations. Lots of things were brought to the Table. LAND was on the TABLE. What would MUSLIMS bring to the table? Besides body-odor.

That is a crappy solution... it would only amplify anger, making it easier for the Taliban to recruit followers.
the First Nations were willing to share the Nation. Only with the white race. The White race has been given the reigns of the country now, Since the signing of the treaties. BOTH signed by the way. NDNs still have to honor the Agreements, We can't go drive People off the Farms like what they are doing in South Africa, we would have no case.
Abbas Abbas:
I didn't even think this debate was still going on.
You also did not believe that honour killing is practiced in Pakistan and claimed that you'd never heard of such a practice.
Abbas Abbas:
Funny, how every conversation turns into Muslims imposing Sharia Law.
Muslims are religious and Sharia Law is derived directly for the Koran. You yourself have stated that Islam transcends borders and governments so it is the duty of all Muslims to make the word of Allah supreme over man. Do you dispute this?
We both know that Muslims MUST change Canada as it is Allah's will. Your comments are a charade and nothing more then pillow talk for gullible liberals who blissfully are stockpiling the rocks you will use to stone our society into submission.
Abbas Abbas:
If you hear couple of Muslims say that they want Sharia law then I can't agree with them.
Then you are not of the faith and to reject God in such a way it could result in your death in some more Islamic fundamentalist regions of the world.
Abbas Abbas:
This country belongs to Canadians, not us(Muslims).
This statement demonstrates that how even a supposedly moderate Muslim such as yourself even separates Canadians and Muslims into two different entities within this society. Like your Mississauga Islamic Centre funded through millions of Saudi dollars with the mission statement to develop a distinct Muslim society in North America, you really don't seem to be anything more than a Canadian of convenience.`
Very true Bart, and a wonderful example of how the Islamists immigrate to peaceful, successful nations, then multiply and then begin to try to rule...and the UK holds an example of how the destruction and hatred of some ancient pirate called Mu is the source of the hatred and violence today.
The Quran specifically teaches to go in peace, even to make treaties and promises. It is further taught that they are fully okay with lieing because, after all, it is for the sake of ALLAH the Moon God.
Now my friends in the UK can fully see what is the result of a generous immigration policy.