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BartSimpson @ Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:59 pm

sandorski sandorski:
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
because the fanatics on either side of the debate try and pass their 'beliefs' and opinions off as fact, when neither side has anything to substantiate their views, One is as bad as the other.


Occams' Razor



In June 1987 I was driving across the USA and found myself on Interstate 80 just east of Little America, Wyoming. tl;dr version of a long story is that I had a very serious issue going on in my life and I found myself praying in earnest for the very first time in my life. I was praying for guidance. Not long after I felt myself filled with a knowledge of events taking place back home in California at that moment that I needed to act on. I sped up well past the 55mph speed limit and tore into Little America and placed a call that quite frankly changed my life for the better.

I'm a pretty rational fellow and I have contemplated this event over the years and I came to a few conclusions:

1) It was not a hallucination because the knowledge I was filled with was real.

2) It was not a psychic event because I've never had a psychic experience before or after that time.

3) Occam's Razor: I was praying to God for guidance and I received it. Ergo, from God.

Now I absolutely do not expect that to convince you or anyone else that there is a God. But speaking just for myself, I have no doubts.

Edit: And you'd think after having a Burning Bush experience I'd be some sort of exemplary Christian but I am not. I've had God personally act in my life, I know it, and I still fall short. Which makes me marvel at the people who have never had such an experience yet they consistently demonstrate a far more resilient faith than I do.

   



sandorski @ Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:34 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
sandorski sandorski:
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
because the fanatics on either side of the debate try and pass their 'beliefs' and opinions off as fact, when neither side has anything to substantiate their views, One is as bad as the other.


Occams' Razor



In June 1987 I was driving across the USA and found myself on Interstate 80 just east of Little America, Wyoming. tl;dr version of a long story is that I had a very serious issue going on in my life and I found myself praying in earnest for the very first time in my life. I was praying for guidance. Not long after I felt myself filled with a knowledge of events taking place back home in California at that moment that I needed to act on. I sped up well past the 55mph speed limit and tore into Little America and placed a call that quite frankly changed my life for the better.

I'm a pretty rational fellow and I have contemplated this event over the years and I came to a few conclusions:

1) It was not a hallucination because the knowledge I was filled with was real.

2) It was not a psychic event because I've never had a psychic experience before or after that time.

3) Occam's Razor: I was praying to God for guidance and I received it. Ergo, from God.

Now I absolutely do not expect that to convince you or anyone else that there is a God. But speaking just for myself, I have no doubts.

Edit: And you'd think after having a Burning Bush experience I'd be some sort of exemplary Christian but I am not. I've had God personally act in my life, I know it, and I still fall short. Which makes me marvel at the people who have never had such an experience yet they consistently demonstrate a far more resilient faith than I do.


#3, is well, quite the leap in logic. One could have a similar thing happen to them from Thor, Zeus, FSM, even Satan simply by calling on them at some point and having their call "answered". Clearly you came to a realization at that point that you were headed in the wrong direction. How can you be sure that it wasn't just You who changed your life? Practically everyone has made major decisions and changes in their life at one point or another. Some do it with Jesus, some with Allah, some with Medication, some with Krishna, some with Family/Friends, etc etc.

Although I'm glad you a way to change your path away from aimlessness, there's no compelling reason to accept your conclusion as Evidence of anything in support of the existence of god(s).

   



sandorski @ Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:37 pm

raydan raydan:
sandorski sandorski:
I said this? Here's something simple even you can understand:

If there is no Evidence for the existence of something, it is most likely not to exist.

1) The Flying Spaghetti Monster---other than some pics and bumper stickers, there is no evidence of its' existence

2) God(s)---other than pics, bumper stickers, and various writings, there is no evidence of its'/their existence

Do you believe in the existence of all other gods? If not, why not?

I don't believe you exist.

All I have as proof is various writings, a user-name and an avatar... no other evidence. :?


I could be a very sophisticated Google Bot, true. If that's possible, then so is it possible that you are the only Human on the whole Internet. 8O

   



BartSimpson @ Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:42 pm

sandorski sandorski:
#3, is well, quite the leap in logic. One could have a similar thing happen to them from Thor, Zeus, FSM, even Satan simply by calling on them at some point and having their call "answered". Clearly you came to a realization at that point that you were headed in the wrong direction. How can you be sure that it wasn't just You who changed your life? Practically everyone has made major decisions and changes in their life at one point or another. Some do it with Jesus, some with Allah, some with Medication, some with Krishna, some with Family/Friends, etc etc.

Although I'm glad you a way to change your path away from aimlessness, there's no compelling reason to accept your conclusion as Evidence of anything in support of the existence of god(s).


Like I said, I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else. Likewise, you'll not convince me otherwise.

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PublicAnimalNo9 @ Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:57 pm

sandorski sandorski:
I said this? Here's something simple even you can understand:

If there is no Evidence for the existence of something, it is most likely not to exist.
There are a variety of evidence types. Scientific evidence is just one of them. By your logic, red and blue don't exist for colour blind people. You can claim there are such things as red and blue til you're blue in the face, but to a colour blind person, there's no such things. So, do red and blue actually exist or do we merely perceive them?

sandorski sandorski:
1) The Flying Spaghetti Monster---other than some pics and bumper stickers, there is no evidence of its' existence

2) God(s)---other than pics, bumper stickers, and various writings, there is no evidence of its'/their existence

There's no proof of aliens and yet how much has been spent on SETI? Not that I'm criticizing SETI, it was a reasonable scientific endeavour which has provided some new and interesting knowledge. Yet the assumption with no hard evidence is that we're not alone.

sandorski sandorski:
Do you believe in the existence of all other gods? If not, why not?

Still won't show your hard proof that you KNOW for certain eh? Your opening comment certainly wouldn't qualify as proof of anything.

See, I'd have respect for your opinion if you were just honest and admitted you don't know and simply explained why you don't believe, as opposed to outright claiming you DO know and then mouthing a bunch of worn out platitudes whilst in attack mode.
But I'll still answer your question. No, I don't believe in the sun god, the moon god, Poseiden, Zeus, Loki, Thor, or pretty much any gods in a polytheistic religion. I do believe that Allah, God and Jehovah are one in the same, just a different name based on linguistics. And interestingly enough, some of the Native American beliefs when it comes to spirits are quite similar to the Biblical claim that God is in all things he made.
When it comes to stuff like reincarnation and other eastern religious beliefs/practices, I couldn't give you a defintive yes or no in the belief department based on several personal experiences that still make me shake my head in wonder. I won't bother detailing them because A) I don't wanna start getting into it at 1:00AM :P and B) because you won't believe a word of it anyway.

I'm not trying to convince you there's a God, it's an absolutely impossible task on the internet. All I've done is challenge your assertion that you know better when nobody can possibly know for certain either way.
I know I can't say with absolute 100% certainty that God exists. What I do know is that what I've experienced and observed has certainly confirmed my beliefs to me.

   



sandorski @ Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:47 pm

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
sandorski sandorski:
I said this? Here's something simple even you can understand:

If there is no Evidence for the existence of something, it is most likely not to exist.
There are a variety of evidence types. Scientific evidence is just one of them. By your logic, red and blue don't exist for colour blind people. You can claim there are such things as red and blue til you're blue in the face, but to a colour blind person, there's no such things. So, do red and blue actually exist or do we merely perceive them?

sandorski sandorski:
1) The Flying Spaghetti Monster---other than some pics and bumper stickers, there is no evidence of its' existence

2) God(s)---other than pics, bumper stickers, and various writings, there is no evidence of its'/their existence

There's no proof of aliens and yet how much has been spent on SETI? Not that I'm criticizing SETI, it was a reasonable scientific endeavour which has provided some new and interesting knowledge. Yet the assumption with no hard evidence is that we're not alone.

sandorski sandorski:
Do you believe in the existence of all other gods? If not, why not?

Still won't show your hard proof that you KNOW for certain eh? Your opening comment certainly wouldn't qualify as proof of anything.

See, I'd have respect for your opinion if you were just honest and admitted you don't know and simply explained why you don't believe, as opposed to outright claiming you DO know and then mouthing a bunch of worn out platitudes whilst in attack mode.
But I'll still answer your question. No, I don't believe in the sun god, the moon god, Poseiden, Zeus, Loki, Thor, or pretty much any gods in a polytheistic religion. I do believe that Allah, God and Jehovah are one in the same, just a different name based on linguistics. And interestingly enough, some of the Native American beliefs when it comes to spirits are quite similar to the Biblical claim that God is in all things he made.
When it comes to stuff like reincarnation and other eastern religious beliefs/practices, I couldn't give you a defintive yes or no in the belief department based on several personal experiences that still make me shake my head in wonder. I won't bother detailing them because A) I don't wanna start getting into it at 1:00AM :P and B) because you won't believe a word of it anyway.

I'm not trying to convince you there's a God, it's an absolutely impossible task on the internet. All I've done is challenge your assertion that you know better when nobody can possibly know for certain either way.
I know I can't say with absolute 100% certainty that God exists. What I do know is that what I've experienced and observed has certainly confirmed my beliefs to me.


How can you possibly not believe in those gods? Srsly, there's as much evidence of their existence as there is for Yahweh/Allah.

I have admitted before that I can't be 100% sure there's no gods, but without any evidence to their existence, the default position is to not believe. You already take this position with Thor and others, is it so crazy/controversial for me to take it for Yahweh?

One reason I take such a hard stand is because I once Believed. I was Born Again, Baptized, Baptized in the Spirit, and did the whole Personal Relationship thing. However, it still proved to be vacant of any such "God". Everything that is considered unique to one Religion is actually not unique at all. Many Religions share the same Principles, Morals, Individual Experiences, the list goes on. What differentiates them most are their key figures and Geography.

   



ShepherdsDog @ Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:28 am

Brenda Brenda:
It's impossible to prove something that isn't there or didn't happen.

I could ask you to prove that you love your children...it's the same, no hard evidence to prove an emotion/feeling.

   



Gunnair @ Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:56 pm

sandorski sandorski:
I know I can't say with absolute 100% certainty that God exists. What I do know is that what I've experienced and observed has certainly confirmed my beliefs to me.


Every arrogant presumption you've made in this and other like threads suggests the above is backpeddling bullshit.

   



Gunnair @ Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:02 pm

sandorski sandorski:

One reason I take such a hard stand is because I once Believed. I was Born Again, Baptized, Baptized in the Spirit, and did the whole Personal Relationship thing. However, it still proved to be vacant of any such "God".


It's interesting that your ideological, philosophical, and theological failures have given you some kind of moral mandate to be an 'asshole' to those religious people who have succeeded, or are trying to succeed with their beliefs.

Very telling about your character.

   



sandorski @ Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:19 pm

Gunnair Gunnair:
sandorski sandorski:

One reason I take such a hard stand is because I once Believed. I was Born Again, Baptized, Baptized in the Spirit, and did the whole Personal Relationship thing. However, it still proved to be vacant of any such "God".


It's interesting that your ideological, philosophical, and theological failures have given you some kind of moral mandate to be an 'asshole' to those religious people who have succeeded, or are trying to succeed with their beliefs.

Very telling about your character.


Really? Come out and say what you want to say. Let's quit beating around the bush here.

   



Gunnair @ Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:33 pm

sandorski sandorski:
Gunnair Gunnair:
sandorski sandorski:

One reason I take such a hard stand is because I once Believed. I was Born Again, Baptized, Baptized in the Spirit, and did the whole Personal Relationship thing. However, it still proved to be vacant of any such "God".


It's interesting that your ideological, philosophical, and theological failures have given you some kind of moral mandate to be an 'asshole' to those religious people who have succeeded, or are trying to succeed with their beliefs.

Very telling about your character.


Really? Come out and say what you want to say. Let's quit beating around the bush here.


I sense a pout coming.. again.

   



sandorski @ Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:46 pm

Gunnair Gunnair:
sandorski sandorski:
Gunnair Gunnair:

It's interesting that your ideological, philosophical, and theological failures have given you some kind of moral mandate to be an 'asshole' to those religious people who have succeeded, or are trying to succeed with their beliefs.

Very telling about your character.


Really? Come out and say what you want to say. Let's quit beating around the bush here.


I sense a pout coming.. again.


Ya, just what I expected. I'm sorry I'm not your Strawman, srsly.

   



Gunnair @ Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:25 pm

sandorski sandorski:
Gunnair Gunnair:
sandorski sandorski:

Really? Come out and say what you want to say. Let's quit beating around the bush here.


I sense a pout coming.. again.


Ya, just what I expected. I'm sorry I'm not your Strawman, srsly.


No, you're definitely not that. Srsly...

Still, very telling.

   



fifeboy @ Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:47 pm

Proof of God's existence:
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Proof that the deity has a sense of humour:
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princessJ @ Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:38 pm

Canada is 87% Chrisitan-we are the biggest majority of any religion and certainly there are hundreds of our churches in canada and many different types of denominations. I feel alot of peple like to trash christians because they are jealous, since christians rule the world and have for centuries. Christians also developed north american socieity and culture, rule of law, , education and so forth. No other religion can claim this in fact jews were not even allowed in canada until WW2.

   



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