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Scape @ Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:00 pm
No true Scotsman = no true christian.
Besides, arguments like this spawned Lutherans, Protestants and the Church of England. Why is the modern era any different? The same forces are at work.
ShepherdsDog @ Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:23 pm
Any of the Christian Churches in the West that reject the supremacy of the Vatican are referred to as Protestant. That includes Anglicans, Presbyterians(Calvinists), Methodists, Lutherans, Anabaptists(Mennonites & Hutterites), Congregationalists and so on and so forth.
sandorski @ Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:20 pm
Gunnair Gunnair:
Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:
Gunnair Gunnair:
Not really sure why you start these threads which just instantly turn into a flame fest when the forum atheist agitators show up to start throwing their shit around like chimps to see what sticks.I dont see how that could be considered an insult or an attack.
If you don't believe another's religion, just smile and nod and agree to disagree.
It's something I have failed to do in the past, and I am trying to do now. I only put it up so that sandorski could do the same.
If Sandorski has ever shown a modicum of restraint in his athiest cheerleading and anti-religious bullshit (call him another retarded Kenmore character but replace Conservatives with (insert religious group here) then I'd like to see it.
Posting more athiest rhetoric is a red flag to most of the athiests here who quickly drag out the pom poms to rag on a group because they feel some kind of moronic moral duty. Kinda like the anti-Muslim folks, anti-Native folks, or anti-insert group here folks.
U mad? Srsly, I didn't drag the Topic from the OP to this back and forth BS. Yes, you ask questions, I'll answer them. Don't like the Answers, don't ask the Questions.
Gunnair @ Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:25 pm
sandorski sandorski:
U mad? Srsly, I didn't drag the Topic from the OP to this back and forth BS. Yes, you ask questions, I'll answer them. Don't like the Answers, don't ask the Questions.
Pouting because you've been called for being a prick. Deal with it.
PublicAnimalNo9 @ Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:53 pm
Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:
The point I am trying to make is the quote isn't explicitly atheist one. The quote could also be used for those within the different Christian denominations. Even if it was 'atheist rhetoric' I don't see anything offensive or insulting in the quote. If you do please explain it to me.
Actually, I didn't see anything all that inflammatory in your OP question. It was a reasonable point of discussion that some people(bless their little hearts) just can't resist reacting to.
First off, I think a lot of this "code" thing is more from the evangelical front and especially those that believe firmly in the rapture as a literal event. These are actually dangerous people themselves as they tend to be more fundamental than your average Christian.
Secondly, once you're well north of the Bible belt, the different sects have more in common with each other, although there are always exceptions to the rule ie; Westboro Baptist.
Through the years, I've attended Presbyterian Churches, United Churches, Mennonite Brethren Churches, Northern Baptist Churches and pretty much most of them bespoke the same basic principles. There were some differences in interperetation but in the greater scheme of things, those differences mean diddly anyway.
And finally, talk is cheap. To use an oft quoted phrase, "Even the Devil can quote scripture". Which ties into my original response to your thread, words mean nothing, actions mean everything.
sandorski @ Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:18 pm
Gunnair Gunnair:
sandorski sandorski:
U mad? Srsly, I didn't drag the Topic from the OP to this back and forth BS. Yes, you ask questions, I'll answer them. Don't like the Answers, don't ask the Questions.
Pouting because you've been called for being a prick. Deal with it.
Wait second, I called myself an Asshole, but I ain't no prick.
Guy_Fawkes @ Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:13 am
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:
The point I am trying to make is the quote isn't explicitly atheist one. The quote could also be used for those within the different Christian denominations. Even if it was 'atheist rhetoric' I don't see anything offensive or insulting in the quote. If you do please explain it to me.
Actually, I didn't see anything all that inflammatory in your OP question. It was a reasonable point of discussion that some people(bless their little hearts) just can't resist reacting to.
First off, I think a lot of this "code" thing is more from the evangelical front and especially those that believe firmly in the rapture as a literal event. These are actually dangerous people themselves as they tend to be more fundamental than your average Christian.
Secondly, once you're well north of the Bible belt, the different sects have more in common with each other, although there are always exceptions to the rule ie; Westboro Baptist.
Through the years, I've attended Presbyterian Churches, United Churches, Mennonite Brethren Churches, Northern Baptist Churches and pretty much most of them bespoke the same basic principles. There were some differences in interperetation but in the greater scheme of things, those differences mean diddly anyway.
And finally, talk is cheap. To use an oft quoted phrase, "Even the Devil can quote scripture". Which ties into my original response to your thread, words mean nothing, actions mean everything.
I was more concerned about the H.L. Mencken quote, do you find that quote offensive?
PublicAnimalNo9 @ Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:51 am
Not at all. Based on the VERY high opinion he had of himself, his quote could very well apply to him as well, minus the religious aspect.
We must respect Mencken's intellectualism, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.
But Mencken is a satirist more than anything else, albeit a rather acerbic one, so to take offense at a satirical comment would be like taking offense to The Life of Brian.
Finally, most of what I've taken away from what I've read of/from him leaves me with the impression he is one confused, very bitter individual with a hate-on for democracy and anyone that wasn't as smart as he thought he was.
bootlegga @ Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:49 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
raydan raydan:
Just like going to church every Sunday doesn't make you a good Christian, neither does speaking Christian... but like everything else in this world today, image is everything.
A fine saying I picked up recently: Going to church no more makes you a Christian than going to a police station makes you a police officer.
I'd rep if I could...
Gunnair @ Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:27 pm
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:
The point I am trying to make is the quote isn't explicitly atheist one. The quote could also be used for those within the different Christian denominations. Even if it was 'atheist rhetoric' I don't see anything offensive or insulting in the quote. If you do please explain it to me.
Actually, I didn't see anything all that inflammatory in your OP question. It was a reasonable point of discussion that some people(bless their little hearts) just can't resist reacting to.
Actually, my comment to him wasn't referencing the quote, but the thread which seems to draw evangelical athiests like mothes to a flame.
Gunnair @ Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:28 pm
Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:
Gunnair Gunnair:
Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:
We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. -H. L. Mencken
Not really sure why you start these threads which just instantly turn into a flame fest when the forum atheist agitators show up to start throwing their shit around like chimps to see what sticks.I dont see how that could be considered an insult or an attack.
Sorry if there is some confusion, my point was to the thread not your quote.
Guy_Fawkes @ Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:34 pm
Oh no issues, I'm glad I was able to get some theist perspectives on the blog. ![[B-o]](./images/smilies/drinkup.gif "Drink up")
BartSimpson @ Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:59 pm
bootlegga bootlegga:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
A fine saying I picked up recently: Going to church no more makes you a Christian than going to a police station makes you a police officer.
I'd rep if I could...It';s the thought that counts, thank you.
Unsound @ Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:24 pm
This may or may not be the best thread for this, but what does make you a christian?
It's a serious question, because it seems to me I often hear christians, or so-called christians talking about how this person or that sect or that belief isn't a "real" christian. Generally, of course, they mean the one's they disagree with about something or the one's who've done something terrible.
As a non-christian, I've always been ok with what I see as the central tenents of the religion and more than ok with people who actually practice those tenents, but far too many of the "christians" that I see or hear about don't seem to be living in a way that I would call christian.
raydan @ Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:34 pm
Unsound Unsound:
This may or may not be the best thread for this, but what does make you a christian?
It's a serious question, because it seems to me I often hear christians, or so-called christians talking about how this person or that sect or that belief isn't a "real" christian. Generally, of course, they mean the one's they disagree with about something or the one's who've done something terrible.
As a non-christian, I've always been ok with what I see as the central tenents of the religion and more than ok with people who actually practice those tenents, but far too many of the "christians" that I see or hear about don't seem to be living in a way that I would call christian.
It's a serious question, because it seems to me I often hear christians, or so-called christians talking about how this person or that sect or that belief isn't a "real" christian. Generally, of course, they mean the one's they disagree with about something or the one's who've done something terrible.
As a non-christian, I've always been ok with what I see as the central tenents of the religion and more than ok with people who actually practice those tenents, but far too many of the "christians" that I see or hear about don't seem to be living in a way that I would call christian.
I think a REAL Christian...
1. ...isn't someone who says that he's a REAL Christian
2. ...isn't someone who judges others
3. ...isn't someone who says that others are not REAL Christians
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