For the sake of your loved ones, do not pray for them.
Chumley @ Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:56 pm
What were the beliefs of the subjects?
Religion is about faith. If the subjects were non believers, than prayer will probably do nothing.
If I were to tell a sick man that I would give him some drugs to cure him and gave him no drugs he may get better because he believed in the cure. If I told a man I would give him drugs to cure him and did so, but he did not believe in drugs, but only in faith healing, he may not get better because he has no belief in the drugs. The mind is a powerful thing. I think to get the test accurate, they would have to do more tests with people of faith.
As a twist, do one where the people of one faith are told they will be prayed for to a god other than their own;)
Mr_Canada old @ Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:31 pm
Scrappy Scrappy:
When did this assult begin against Christians in Christian countries? I read 12 forums but post only here and I see a rather alarming trend of Hug a Muslim hate a Christian.
It's called Voiced Athiesm.
Really, I don't think this thread is supporting any religion, but rather, denouncing them all.
Atleast, I am,
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
I wonder, would you renounce atheism if your life was on the line?
Would you renounce Christianity if your life was on the line? 
Unfair question, most of us would do anything to stay alive. Unless you are an extremist or something and it's like, Honour Suicide.
Schleihauf @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:30 pm
Tman1 Tman1:
Schleihauf Schleihauf:
Tman1 Tman1:
Schleihauf Schleihauf:
Moral & Religious issueses on Canadaka = Christian stomping. Athiests can be just as stubborn as Christians but I find Athiests tend to be more arrogant and mean(I used to be one). Here's my attempt at converting athiests. If you're right well we just rot in the ground but if I'm right then I goto heaven and you goto hell.
It's a discussion. It's a freedom. Something people do in this world to explain the unexplainable or for anothers pleasure, entertainment. I hardly see it as Christian (for that matter, why automatically claim it as "Christian") stomping? The second time I've seen somebody on this forum dismiss religious discussion as "anti-Christian". The period of the enlightenment in history must be your favourite subject. People actually thinking for themselves.
I find your post dismissive and arrogant, am I going to assume all religious folk dismissive and arrogant? For that matter, I don't think your own experience pertains to all atheists' behaviour.
I meant most of the threads under Morals & religious issues are anti-Christian(or Muslim).
Exactly how are they anti-Christian (heck, most are anti-Muslim so they don't count)?
I meant that a lot of the threads under Moral & Religious Issues are against Christianity providing examples that Christians are bad or take Christianity as a joke(which I don't mind that much). I'm sorry if I'm being a dick to you.
Blue_Nose @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:44 pm
Feel free to post a thread promoting your religion, if you're uncomfortable with the type of threads being posted.
Ripcat @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:46 pm
Tricks Tricks:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
I wonder, would you renounce atheism if your life was on the line?
No. Renouncing a belief such as that is like renouncing your freedom. It is like renouncing your freedom of speech or die. Anyone who does renounce it is giving up their freedom.I would renounce a belief if my life was on the line. I have a family to protect. I can't do that if I am dead. Also, whatever it is I am renouncing I would still hold true in my heart.
How much freedom do you have if you are dead? How can you fight back and resist the oppressors if you are dead?
Blue_Nose @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:48 pm
Ideals, Ripcat - ideals are what's important in life
Tricks @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:50 pm
Ripcat Ripcat:
Tricks Tricks:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
I wonder, would you renounce atheism if your life was on the line?
No. Renouncing a belief such as that is like renouncing your freedom. It is like renouncing your freedom of speech or die. Anyone who does renounce it is giving up their freedom.I would renounce a belief if my life was on the line. I have a family to protect. I can't do that if I am dead. Also, whatever it is I am renouncing I would still hold true in my heart.
How much freedom do you have if you are dead? How can you fight back and resist the oppressors if you are dead?
Ripcat @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:14 pm
Tricks Tricks:
Ripcat Ripcat:
Tricks Tricks:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
I wonder, would you renounce atheism if your life was on the line?
No. Renouncing a belief such as that is like renouncing your freedom. It is like renouncing your freedom of speech or die. Anyone who does renounce it is giving up their freedom.I would renounce a belief if my life was on the line. I have a family to protect. I can't do that if I am dead. Also, whatever it is I am renouncing I would still hold true in my heart.
How much freedom do you have if you are dead? How can you fight back and resist the oppressors if you are dead?
It's OK. I'd might have said the same thing at your age. Any adult with a family to raise/protect would be lying if they told you they'd take death over renouncing a belief.
And like I already said, how much freedom would you have if you are dead?
Ripcat @ Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:15 pm
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
Ideals, Ripcat - ideals are what's important in life
Go get yourself a wife and some kids and then get back to me on where your ideals are and what you truly want out of life.
Tricks @ Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:40 am
Ripcat Ripcat:
It's OK. I'd might have said the same thing at your age. Any adult with a family to raise/protect would be lying if they told you they'd take death over renouncing a belief.
And like I already said, how much freedom would you have if you are dead?
Have you read this entire thread? Because earlier I said if a government was trying to force me to I wouldn't, but if some random dude with a gun did then I would.
And like I already said, how much freedom would you have if you are dead?
Ripcat @ Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:45 am
Tricks Tricks:
Ripcat Ripcat:
It's OK. I'd might have said the same thing at your age. Any adult with a family to raise/protect would be lying if they told you they'd take death over renouncing a belief.
And like I already said, how much freedom would you have if you are dead?
Have you read this entire thread? Because earlier I said if a government was trying to force me to I wouldn't, but if some random dude with a gun did then I would.And like I already said, how much freedom would you have if you are dead?
Renounce and live to join the resistance!
Blue_Nose @ Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:48 am
Ripcat Ripcat:
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
Ideals, Ripcat - ideals are what's important in life
Go get yourself a wife and some kids and then get back to me on where your ideals are and what you truly want out of life.
Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
But my 'freedom' to talk about my atheism isn't the top priority in my life - I've got a family, a girlfriend, friends, and a promising career to look forward to that isn't worth giving up for the chance to say 'there is no god'. Other than the fact that it bugs other people to hear it, the disbelief in God is not a that important to me - it's just a fact.
Tricks @ Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:56 am
Ripcat Ripcat:
Tricks Tricks:
Ripcat Ripcat:
It's OK. I'd might have said the same thing at your age. Any adult with a family to raise/protect would be lying if they told you they'd take death over renouncing a belief.
And like I already said, how much freedom would you have if you are dead?
Have you read this entire thread? Because earlier I said if a government was trying to force me to I wouldn't, but if some random dude with a gun did then I would.And like I already said, how much freedom would you have if you are dead?
Renounce and live to join the resistance!