My Take: Jesus would believe in evolution.
BartSimpson @ Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:31 am
Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:
Meh the closest thing to a understandable explanation I have gotten is to think of it like the three states of matter. Solid, liquid and gas; they are all water but can exist in either state. However it still reads to me that God sent himself on a suicide mission in order to save humanity from sin, something he imposed on us. 
God did not impose sin on us. We do it all on our own...sort of like how no one forces anybody to look at p0rn.
Sin requires atonement and the blood of Jesus atoned for everyone's sins.
Myself, on evolution I've never opposed it simply because it does make sense. If that's how God chose to do things then I'm fine with it. I've no doubt that humanity has many more surprises in store as we learn more about Creation.
andyt @ Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:34 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
God did not impose sin on us. We do it all on our own...sort of like how no one forces anybody to look at p0rn.
Sin requires atonement and the blood of Jesus atoned for everyone's sins.
Myself, on evolution I've never opposed it simply because it does make sense. If that's how God chose to do things then I'm fine with it. I've no doubt that humanity has many more surprises in store as we learn more about Creation.
Ah, but God created the porn. And our desire to look at it. Guess he's having a chuckle about that.
He's a weird dude alright - to atone sins requires the blood of his son. Social services should be investigating him. Wonder how non-Christians get to atone for their sin?
PublicAnimalNo9 @ Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:46 am
andyt andyt:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
God did not impose sin on us. We do it all on our own...sort of like how no one forces anybody to look at p0rn.
Sin requires atonement and the blood of Jesus atoned for everyone's sins.
Myself, on evolution I've never opposed it simply because it does make sense. If that's how God chose to do things then I'm fine with it. I've no doubt that humanity has many more surprises in store as we learn more about Creation.
Ah, but God created the porn. And our desire to look at it. Guess he's having a chuckle about that.
He's a weird dude alright - to atone sins requires the blood of his son. Social services should be investigating him. Wonder how non-Christians get to atone for their sin?
By becoming Christian. It's not like God set the bar impossibly high.
andyt @ Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:49 am
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
andyt andyt:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
God did not impose sin on us. We do it all on our own...sort of like how no one forces anybody to look at p0rn.
Sin requires atonement and the blood of Jesus atoned for everyone's sins.
Myself, on evolution I've never opposed it simply because it does make sense. If that's how God chose to do things then I'm fine with it. I've no doubt that humanity has many more surprises in store as we learn more about Creation.
Ah, but God created the porn. And our desire to look at it. Guess he's having a chuckle about that.
He's a weird dude alright - to atone sins requires the blood of his son. Social services should be investigating him. Wonder how non-Christians get to atone for their sin?
By becoming Christian. It's not like God set the bar impossibly high.
Wow. So there are 5 billion people in the world that are totally fucked. As I said, He's one weird dude. Guess you get bored easily when you're eternal and omnipotent.
andyt @ Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:01 am
Dishonored your mother or your father? Coveted they neighbor's ass? USE BLOOD O JAYSUS to wash those sines right out. Yes sir, only the finest Jaysus blood can remove those stains, and BLOOD O JAYSUS has the most of this ingredient of any product on the market. But see for yourself. We've washed these hair shirts one in a leading competitor (liability laws prevent us from naming it, but it's a very common product in the middle east) and the other in BLOOD O JAYSUS. Look how clean and white the shirt washed in BLOOD O JAYSUS is compared to that filthy rag washed in the other product. Always use BLOOD O JAYSUS to wash your sins away.
sandorski @ Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:35 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:
Meh the closest thing to a understandable explanation I have gotten is to think of it like the three states of matter. Solid, liquid and gas; they are all water but can exist in either state. However it still reads to me that God sent himself on a suicide mission in order to save humanity from sin, something he imposed on us.
God did not impose sin on us. We do it all on our own...sort of like how no one forces anybody to look at p0rn.
Sin requires atonement and the blood of Jesus atoned for everyone's sins.
Myself, on evolution I've never opposed it simply because it does make sense. If that's how God chose to do things then I'm fine with it. I've no doubt that humanity has many more surprises in store as we learn more about Creation.
Negative. The alleged All Knowing God put a tree in the middle of the Garden upon which was the Forbidden Fruit. Knowing full well from the start that it would be taken by Its' Creation which It had instructed not to take. IOW, the alleged God set up the situation that was guaranteed to cause the fall of Man and thus bring Sin. Then this same alleged God made up a hokum condition of what it would take to redeem Its' Creation, when all along it could have simply set up the condition to simply Forgive.
An Asshole, Drama Queen, and Attention Whore. That is the God of the Bible.
BartSimpson @ Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:40 am
sandorski sandorski:
An Asshole, Drama Queen, and Attention Whore. That is the God of the Bible.
Fail.
OnTheIce @ Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:07 pm
andyt andyt:
Ah, but God created the porn. And our desire to look at it. Guess he's having a chuckle about that.
When you dig deeper into things like this, you understand what a crock-of-shit religion is.
jason700 @ Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:02 pm
Based on my Catholic upbringing:
"Jesus died so that sins may be forgiven."
"God loves us so much that he gave up his only son for us."
He didn't die, he rose three days later and ascended into heaven and now sits at the right hand of the father.
God can do anything. If he wanted to forgive our sins why couldn't he just forgive our sins. Seems like a big waste of time on his AND our part.
sandorski @ Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:11 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
sandorski sandorski:
An Asshole, Drama Queen, and Attention Whore. That is the God of the Bible.
Fail.
Indeed It is.
PublicAnimalNo9 @ Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:23 pm
jason700 jason700:
Based on my Catholic upbringing:
"Jesus died so that sins may be forgiven."
"God loves us so much that he gave up his only son for us."
He didn't die, he rose three days later and ascended into heaven and now sits at the right hand of the father.
God can do anything. If he wanted to forgive our sins why couldn't he just forgive our sins. Seems like a big waste of time on his AND our part.
"Jesus died so that sins may be forgiven."
"God loves us so much that he gave up his only son for us."
He didn't die, he rose three days later and ascended into heaven and now sits at the right hand of the father.
God can do anything. If he wanted to forgive our sins why couldn't he just forgive our sins. Seems like a big waste of time on his AND our part.
Ummm how about an acknowledgement that we did wrong?
What good is it for someone to forgive you(other than their own mental health) if you don't give a shit about them anyway?
Let's say someone wrongs you badly. How quickly would you be to forgive them of your own accord compared to if they came to you afterward with a sincere and heart-felt apology asking you to forgive them?
Forgiveness without ackowledgment of guilt by the guilty means nothing to the guilty.
andyt @ Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:35 pm
Face it. The Jesus myth is a relic of times of human sacrifice. God has to sacrifice his son to appease Himself. Sure you have to genuinely ask for forgiveness, you don't need anybody sacrificing himself to do that for you.
It all doesn't make sense as written. God creates us to be the way we are, his omniscience should tell him what will happen, but he does it anyway, then claim it's out of his hands. If it is, we are not part of God.
BartSimpson @ Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:37 pm
sandorski sandorski:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
sandorski sandorski:
An Asshole, Drama Queen, and Attention Whore. That is the God of the Bible.
Fail.
Indeed It is.
Fail²
jason700 @ Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:25 pm
andyt andyt:
Face it. The Jesus myth is a relic of times of human sacrifice. God has to sacrifice his son to appease Himself. Sure you have to genuinely ask for forgiveness, you don't need anybody sacrificing himself to do that for you.
Agreed. And also, it's not like the idea of God, sin, guilt and atonement didn't exist before Jesus supposedly came along.
It's not like Jesus changed the world either... we still suck in the exact same way. Gandhi... now there's someone who made a difference.
QBC @ Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:38 pm
I'm always amazed that Jesus is almost always depicted looking like a 1970's rock star. Ted Neeley does look like so many pictures of Jesus, that was good casting, but Jesus has been depicted that way long before 1973. Hu, I wonder if Jesus can play Smoke on the Water..... 