My Take: Jesus would believe in evolution.
jason700 @ Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:40 pm
I really don't believe that Christianity made the world a better place. Any progress that we've made would've happened with or without it.
ShepherdsDog @ Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:00 pm
So the Church didn't preserve knowledge after the fall of Rome, or play a role in establishing universities throughout Europe? Who else would have filled this role seeing the clerics were the only folk who were literate?
TattoodGirl @ Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:44 pm
QBC QBC:
I'm always amazed that Jesus is almost always depicted looking like a 1970's rock star. Ted Neeley does look like so many pictures of Jesus, that was good casting, but Jesus has been depicted that way long before 1973. Hu, I wonder if Jesus can play Smoke on the Water..... 
Anyone can play smoke on the water....I thought Jesus made wine out of water....thats pretty cool though!!!!
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PublicAnimalNo9 @ Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:50 pm
There is some great music and some truly amazing singing in Jesus Christ Superstar.
Even if one is not a believer in the message, the singing alone will blow you away.
TattoodGirl @ Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:55 pm
Ya It was a pretty awesome musical thats for sure...agree totally
DanSC @ Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:56 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
jason700 jason700:
It's not like Jesus changed the world either.
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I think it's fairly safe to say that Jesus and the growth of Christianity had quite an impact on the world.
PublicAnimalNo9 @ Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:02 am
andyt andyt:
Face it. The Jesus myth is a relic of times of human sacrifice. God has to sacrifice his son to appease Himself. Sure you have to genuinely ask for forgiveness, you don't need anybody sacrificing himself to do that for you.
It all doesn't make sense as written. God creates us to be the way we are, his omniscience should tell him what will happen, but he does it anyway, then claim it's out of his hands. If it is, we are not part of God.
It all doesn't make sense as written. God creates us to be the way we are, his omniscience should tell him what will happen, but he does it anyway, then claim it's out of his hands. If it is, we are not part of God.
HyperionTheEvil @ Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:21 am
sandorski sandorski:
An Asshole, Drama Queen, and Attention Whore. That is the God of the Bible.
Technically it's asshole, drama 'king' and attention whore.
But one could also add jealous, intolerant, narrow minded, obtuse and murderous.
HyperionTheEvil @ Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:22 am
DanSC DanSC:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
jason700 jason700:
It's not like Jesus changed the world either.
I think it's fairly safe to say that Jesus and the growth of Christianity had quite an impact on the world.
Impact ? yes.
Positive impact?
No.
HyperionTheEvil @ Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:24 am
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
So the Church didn't preserve knowledge after the fall of Rome, or play a role in establishing universities throughout Europe? Who else would have filled this role seeing the clerics were the only folk who were literate?
Well considering it was the church that undermined Rome which led to its fall i think giving the church 'credit' for all of that 'universities' across europe, which of course common people weren't allowed to enter much less read the books there is akin to praising the thief for a successful robbery.
Guy_Fawkes @ Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:30 am
Wasn't it the Muslims who preserved Greek knowledge through the dark ages?
andyt @ Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:01 am
Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:
Wasn't it the Muslims who preserved Greek knowledge through the dark ages?
They didn't just preserve but added to it. There's a reason we use Arabic numerals for our maths.
Taseko @ Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:40 am
jason700 jason700:
andyt andyt:
Face it. The Jesus myth is a relic of times of human sacrifice. God has to sacrifice his son to appease Himself. Sure you have to genuinely ask for forgiveness, you don't need anybody sacrificing himself to do that for you.
Agreed. And also, it's not like the idea of God, sin, guilt and atonement didn't exist before Jesus supposedly came along.
It's not like Jesus changed the world either... we still suck in the exact same way. Gandhi... now there's someone who made a difference.
Somewhere along the way, pre-hominid perhaps, humans have looked for a god to explain things he didn't understand and perhaps provide comfort when things got bad. Not so bad when you look at from this perspective but when you think of religion today it seems a little backward.
Some recently historic religious figures such as Ghandi, Georges Lemaitre, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, Mathew Fox to mention a few who come to mind. Outstanding individuals.
Then you have Jimmy Swaggert etc.
martin14 @ Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:45 am
andyt andyt:
Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:
Wasn't it the Muslims who preserved Greek knowledge through the dark ages?
They didn't just preserve but added to it. There's a reason we use Arabic numerals for our maths.And thankfully nothing else for the past 1200 years.
andyt @ Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:49 am
martin14 martin14:
andyt andyt:
Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:
Wasn't it the Muslims who preserved Greek knowledge through the dark ages?
They didn't just preserve but added to it. There's a reason we use Arabic numerals for our maths.And thankfully nothing else for the past 1200 years.
Why thankfully. You don't think it would have been better if the Muslims had also advanced like we did?