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Good point in that the only thing Palestinians and Canadian Natives have is that the reserves in Canada are run exactly the same as Yasser Arafat ran his kleptocracy in the West Bank. Not sure how any progress can be made when people turn to an outfit like Hamas just to restore some discipline to the local government because of the way that thieving bastards like Arafat ran it.

   

   

Fantastic post!

   

I actually agree with most of what you said up there in your original post, but let's stay with this one point of 'if the Palestine issue is the equivalent of the Canadian Indian issue, which group are the Indians? The Jews or the Muslims?'

OK, so the Arab Muslims invaded. Some of the original Jewish population stayed. Blood lines mixed.

I have a native or two under the bed in my family tree. A big chunk of many-generations-back Canadians I know can make similar claims. So I'm not sure how mixed blood resolves anything. The Jews were native. The Arab Muslims invaded. There's mixed blood now. Who are the Indians - Jews or Muslims?

I say historically it's the Jews. Now once you get into modern times the comparison becomes trickier.

In 1948 the Arabs told their people "OK we're going to clean the Jews off the map. We need you guys to get out of the way so we don't accidentally wipe out a follower of Mohammed."

So the dumber ones were all "Yay! No more Jews. Hang on, I just have to grab a few things" and off they went to get out of the way of the massacre that was supposed to be coming.

But the Jews were spoilsports and didn't die. In fact they won the war. Now the Muslims were on the equivalent of reserves. So now they can start to look more like Indians.

But wait...that used to be Jewish territory too. I recognize some of those names of towns in the West bank from the bible. So couldn't you also say the Jews are pushed onto a reserve?

But the West Bank and Gaza Muslims get more welfare, so they're the Indians, right? Is that what we're saying?

Personally I think it's a pretty messed up analogy. I don't know why people need it.

   

Who are the natives? That's a loaded question when it comes to our own. Can someone whose ancestry is 3/4 European claim to be status.....yes, but that's a discussion for another thread.

   

It's quite a rat's nest to untangle that. The Hebrews were early invaders, I believe. However they were also overrun by the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Greeks, the Romans, the Muslims and the Crusaders.

As women were common spoils of war at the time--still are actually--you got a lot of shuffling of the cards, gentically speaking.

   

And more government money won't solve the problem. End the programs and let them have casinos. That seems to be working pretty well down here.

   

Then there are the Iraqi and Iranian Jews who never returned to Israel after Cyrus ended their Babylonian captivity(and as a result he was proclaimed messiah) in the 6th century BC. They inhabited those regions for some three thousand years before being driven out after Israel was reborn in 1948. They intermingled as well.

   

Possibly. Some tribe was always having a problem with some other tribe way back when, in the beginning, but as far as what we know goes, we don't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites ... Israelites

   

*sighhhh* Do you even know who Karl Marx is?

You just drop names of people you think are villains in whatever frothy-mouthed rants suits your fancy, it's like reading ridiculous right-wing game of MadLibs. It doesn't even make sense.

   

NF - I'm not sure it matters when we're talking about thousands of years ago. More recently, and prior to the creation of Israel, under the British mandate, Palestine was majority Muslim. Only a third of Palestine was Jewishin 1945. The first census of 1922 showed a population of 757,182, of whom 78% were Muslim, 11% Jewish and 9.6% Christian. In 1943, "Arabs and Non-Jews" owned 95% of the land.


But going back to ancient history, Palestinians and Hebrews are at best, of the same genetic heritage. Even the Jew's own story of Exodus mentions that there were people living in the land and they were ordered by God to take the land by force.


"And I have said, I will bring you up out of the affliction of Egypt unto the land of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, unto a land flowing with milk and honey." - Exodus 3:17

"Hereby you shall know that the living God is among you, and that he will without fail drive out from before you the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Hivites, the Perizzites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, and the Jebusites." - Joshua 3:10

Just who do you think the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites and Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites are?

You know the story about Joshua toppling the walls of Jericho? Who do you think was living there? It wasn't empty land.


"And the city and all that is within it shall be devoted to the Lord for destruction. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall live." -Joshua 6:17

"Then they devoted all in the city to destruction, both men and women, young and old, oxen, sheep, and donkeys, with the edge of the sword." - Joshua 6:21

I know you're loathe to admit the above since you're programmed to always side with whatever you think is the 'whitest' group in any sitution.


To the rest of the discussion regarding Palestine today, note that it is not a sovereign country, basically it's like a giant Indian reservation with another nation (Israel) controlling its borders and rationing trade and access to basic resources and services. And while I have no doubt that Palestine is corrupt and mismanaged, how could it not be under those circumstances?

   

   

Well, sure if you want to talk bible instead of the archeological evidence linked above we can do that too.

So Noah begat Ham and Ham begat (I forget...a whole bunch of people, but Ham was given Canaan as I recall. Abraham and Jacob are in there somewhere, and there was some famine so Jacob started wandering, and wound up leading his flock into slavery in Egypt as I recall. Eventually Moses and God decided it was time to return home, back to Canaan and off they go. When they get there, there's others who have taken over their land and Joshua and the Jews kick ass. Sound familiar?

But yeah, there was a lot of begatting between tribes going on. However Canaan began with what became the Jews. If you want to play the bible game I mean.

And on this...



I think they're long gone. Swallowed up into Jewish DNA and from there some was mixed into Christian and Muslim DNA. The Jews were related to a lot of the old pre-history tribes in any case. Off and on they all shared the same territory, knocking each other off here and there, now and again.

So again, after the bible, the Muslim Arabs invaded. But yeah, because they've always been heavy into the rape and Dawa thing, the blood got mixed with Jews, Christians etc. This meant they were also going to pick up some of the old, now gone DNA from for example Hittites and Samarians.

But ideologically they're still the Muslims and this is an ideological conflict, So their ideological roots are Muslim Arab. Arab Muslims were invaders, and that's an unchangeable fact.

   

No doubt you use the same twisted thinking to forgive all the FN corruption as well.

"well it happens but it's whitey's fault so it's ok'.

   

1) Not all Palestinians are Muslim. Most of the region's Christians are also Palestinians

2) Most Palestinians are not racially Arab

3) Most Palestinians are descended from earlier Jews and Christians




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people




I wonder, when you post comments, do you think to yourself "now here is a useful contribution to the discussion that people will find interesting and informative!"

   

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