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What does he know, he wasn't a Christian. Follow Jesus and you'd have to be a Jew.

   

That's a tough one because there's a duality to the teachings.

Mo starts out in Mecca as Mo the prophet. And his teachings are spun from the tropes and memes of the religions in the area at the time. So this is why you see some similarity with Judeo-Christian thought as Andy suggests.

Later though Mo the prophet is thrown out of Mecca and runs to Medina where he becomes Mo the pirate. In Medina he starts pushing Jihad, and the verses of the sword. He gets a revelation saying 'God wants you to forget the old stuff and just concentrate on these new ideas, OK?'

His followers go from a hundred or so in Mecca to the thousands in Medina. Everybody has a grievance to settle it seems.

If you want one that goes to both though, Martin's suggestion of "submission" or voluntary surrender to the will of the one God (and Mo of course) might be the best. In fact, I think the word Islam means some sort of submission.

   

Funny, a quick google showed me the five pillars which are very similar to Christianity, ie one God, believe in his messenger, with some charity and other good acts thrown in.

   

My God, Andy, are you selectively blind?

Did you not see this?



Sometime reading past the first line works.

   

No, just read a bunch of bafflegab. Google central beliefs for Christianity you get more or less what Unsound said. Google it for Islam, you get the five pillars. Everything else you babbled on about is extraneous to that - we can do that for Christianity as well. And as Shep showed, Jesus himself was not a Christian, while Mohammed, at least was the first Muslim.

   

Much the same could be said for Christianity.

   

Even so. if you pick one line and ignore the other to make some preposterous claim which is contradicted by what was actually said, you're behaving idiotically and sound kind of desperate.

There is a duality in the teachings of Islam between those of Mecca and those Medina. That's a hardcore fact. I don't care what you think selective readings from a google list are telling you.

   

A bit. It's in there. It's not surprising. Islam is considered one of the Abrahamic religions.



But unlike Islam, the word Christianity does not mean submission.

It's a matter of stress.

   

All fine, but not addressing Unsound's question, which has a very straightforward answer. I don't care what your prejudice is making you say, the 5 pillars are the core belief of Islam, the core of that is: Following the 5 pillars is meant to bring you salvation, just as belief in Jesus is for Christians.

   

Prayer, giving alms, fasting and pilgrimage are ritual not core belief.

They might serve to help lead you to core beliefs, like the one that is up there - belief in the oneness of God.

Finding one core belief is a tough one in any religion. There is always some complexity. It's doubly tough in Islam, because there's the 'do what the Judeo-Christians do' teachings of Mecca, conflicting with the Massacre the unbelievers and do what's convenient to Mo message from Medina.

If there's an answer to the question of core belief that lasts throughout though, I'm with Martin. It's submission. Oneness of God is a good one too, though.

   

I was going to leave this be, but I just read this thing that is so on point I have to show it to you.

It's in this article on the 5 most outrageous assaults on freedom of speech last week. Here's a little bit from # 1.

1. UK: Peer reported to Lords Speaker for noting Rigby killer was Qur’an-inspired


Donna Rachel Edmunds reported Wednesday at Breitbart that “a UK Independence Party peer, Lord Pearson, has been reported to the Speaker of the House of Lords, Lady D’Souza, for suggesting in a debate in the House that Lee Rigby’s killers had drawn inspiration for their attack from the Koran.” Pearson said,

"My lords, are the government aware that Fusilier Rigby’s murderers quoted 22 verses of the Koran to justify their atrocity? Therefore, is the Prime Minister accurate or helpful when he describes it as a betrayal of Islam? Since the vast majority of Muslims are our peace-loving friends, should we not encourage them to address the violence in the Koran – and indeed in the life and the example of Muhammad?"

Muslim MP Khalid Mahmood was furious:

"Virtually everybody has condemned – and I, again, for the record condemn – the atrocious attack on Lee Rigby. This [intervention by Pearson] is just complete nonsense. Obviously he hasn’t read the Koran. Islam is about submission to the Almighty." It is not about war against anybody else.

http://pjmedia.com/blog/5-new-assaults- ... epage=true

   

I think the original poster has scarpered.

   

No huge loss. Seemed more interested in apologetics than anything else. After the soldier murders in Quebec and Ottawa this was probably the last place anyone doing a bunch of pro-Islam nonsense should have come to.

   

I have to ask, Andy, what is it that you believe? What core values guide you in your daily life?

   

Yup, back to Momo he went.

   

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