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BrettAndrews @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:15 pm

Well, I was in class today (In High School), and we were watching a movie. It's called Facing the Giants, and my teacher had never seen it, on little pieces of it. So, we were watching it, and the reason why, was to show us that we can do anything, if we put our mind to it.

Well, as it turned out, it was alot more of a Christian\Religious movie. Personally, I thought nothing of it, except that I knew quite a few people in the classroom, were probably finding it very, very weird.

About half way through the class, the teacher got up, and stopped it. Everyone in the class Groaned, and moaned, because they'd rather watch any kind of movie than do work. Then the teacher asked "Ok, I didn't know this was such a religious movie. The point is that you can do anything. Is anyone uncomfortable watching this movie?"

Everyone said No, because they knew they'd all rather watch a movie, and if one person did say they felt uncomfortable (Even though they all did), they'd be hated by the rest of the class, because they'd have to do work. She told everyone who was comfortable with watching the movie to raise their hand, and yet again, everyone did. So, she continued the movie.

Then when the movie was nearly over, she stopped it, and said, for the second time "Ok, you guys do know this movie is about how you can do anything if you try. It wasn't mean for the religion part."

Then everyone begged her to let us watch it until the end of class, so she said Ok. In the end, somebody did something (Not giving anything away 8O), and the guy (Grant), told him that God helped him do it.

Then this 'funny' kid in my class perks up, and says "He's such a liar! God didn't do it! He did it himself!!!!"
So the teacher turned off the movie. (It was basiclly over anyways.)


This is just part of the subject, of what is going on with Religion in Public schools.
Is this a good thing?
Bad thing?


Give me your thoughts and opinions on it, I'd love to hear 'em.

   



BrettAndrews @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:34 pm

lily lily:
Would the teacher have made an issue had it been a non-Christian religion? Somehow I doubt it.

I realize that.
I bet if it was Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, Shinto, Sikhism, or something like that, where the higher percentage of the believers were based in another country, she wouldn't have done anything.

It's kind of weird.

   



Blue_Nose @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:37 pm

I think the teacher made an issue of it because if one of her students went home and told their parents they watched a religious movie in school, she'd get the blame - she's probably more worried about her job than any Christian influence to the movie.

   



hurley_108 @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:38 pm

Thing is, there is so much popular media out there (TV shows, music, movies) that are essentially soft evangelizing for christianity, but very little, it seems to me, evangelizing for those other religions.

There's a big difference between a religious movie and a movie in which religion is a theme.

   



BartSimpson @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:33 pm

Amazingly, The Passion of The Christ has been shown in several public schools down here with little comment at all. The argument being that the film offers an insight into understanding the motivations of Christians.

Myself, I don't want TPoTC shown in the public schools as the precedent opens the door for potential abuse. Also, try as I might, I find it impossible to not see that film as religious in its every single aspect.

   



hurley_108 @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:37 pm

Personally, as far as TPoTC in schools goes, I'd be more concerned about the gore than the religious content. I learned quite a lot about christianity from that movie, but as an adult the violence was troubling. I wouldn't want it shown to anyone under grade 12.

   



Tricks @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:40 pm

lily lily:
How about Hamlet? ;)
I don't follow that one... Though I hated the book, and forgot it as quickly as possible, it wasn't overly religious.

   



Tricks @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:41 pm

I kinda want to show 300 to like grade 3s... That would be fun to see. 8O

   



Tricks @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:46 pm

lily lily:
It's completely religious. Hamlet takes place during the Reformation, and there's a lot of Protestant/Catholic wrestling in it - is the ghost good or bad is one example.
Actually, the more popular question is whether or not the ghost is real.

$1:
Also... Hamlet didn't just want to kill Claudius to avenge his father, he wanted to condemn his soul as well - that's why he didn't kill him while he was at prayer. The irony, of course, is that Claudius wasn't praying - he was talking about not being able to pray, and if Hamlet had killed him right then, everyone else would have lived. ;)
That's really the only religious part that I recall.

   



xerxes @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:48 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Amazingly, The Passion of The Christ has been shown in several public schools down here with little comment at all. The argument being that the film offers an insight into understanding the motivations of Christians.

Myself, I don't want TPoTC shown in the public schools as the precedent opens the door for potential abuse. Also, try as I might, I find it impossible to not see that film as religious in its every single aspect.


That and and the over the top violence the movie depicts.

As to the movie in question, the teacher probably should have watched the movie first before showing it in class. I know I wouldn't show a movie before showing it in class even if it was rated 'G'.

And Lily is quite right, your teacher was more likely trying to save a potential headache as opposed to ruining your time-wasting (unless your teacher is like that too).

The thing is, your teacher isn't supposed to promote any religion in class no matter the -ism or -ity. Even showing a movie such as the one you watched, with a religious theme, can be construed as promoting religion (depending on how nutty the parent of course).

   



Dayseed @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:08 pm

lily lily:
Tricks Tricks:
lily lily:
How about Hamlet? ;)
I don't follow that one... Though I hated the book, and forgot it as quickly as possible, it wasn't overly religious.

It's completely religious. Hamlet takes place during the Reformation, and there's a lot of Protestant/Catholic wrestling in it - is the ghost good or bad is one example. Also... Hamlet didn't just want to kill Claudius to avenge his father, he wanted to condemn his soul as well - that's why he didn't kill him while he was at prayer. The irony, of course, is that Claudius wasn't praying - he was talking about not being able to pray, and if Hamlet had killed him right then, everyone else would have lived. ;)


Do you really mean the Reformation? Are you absolutely, positively sure, you don't mean the Renaissance? They're not the same thing. Also, I've never had anybody analyze Hamlet in terms of trying to reconcile Catholic vs. Protestant thinking. Consequently, to make the statement that Hamlet is "completely religious" seems to advance a poor understanding of the work. Lastly, by reducing the Reformation to little more than a "wrestling" between Catholics and Protestants seems to show a woefully crippled understanding of the complexity of the Reformation that began with Luther in the early 16th century.

Did you learn about Hamlet at a religious school?

   



BrettAndrews @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:08 pm

xerxes xerxes:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Amazingly, The Passion of The Christ has been shown in several public schools down here with little comment at all. The argument being that the film offers an insight into understanding the motivations of Christians.

Myself, I don't want TPoTC shown in the public schools as the precedent opens the door for potential abuse. Also, try as I might, I find it impossible to not see that film as religious in its every single aspect.


That and and the over the top violence the movie depicts.

As to the movie in question, the teacher probably should have watched the movie first before showing it in class. I know I wouldn't show a movie before showing it in class even if it was rated 'G'.

And Lily is quite right, your teacher was more likely trying to save a potential headache as opposed to ruining your time-wasting (unless your teacher is like that too).

The thing is, your teacher isn't supposed to promote any religion in class no matter the -ism or -ity. Even showing a movie such as the one you watched, with a religious theme, can be construed as promoting religion (depending on how nutty the parent of course).

I know, but that's where my question comes in..
What do you think about that? I know about 20 years ago, after Oh Canada, in a public school, everyone had to stand up and say the Lord's prayer. Look at how much it's changed in two decades.

   



hwacker @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:21 pm

BrettAndrews BrettAndrews:
xerxes xerxes:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Amazingly, The Passion of The Christ has been shown in several public schools down here with little comment at all. The argument being that the film offers an insight into understanding the motivations of Christians.

Myself, I don't want TPoTC shown in the public schools as the precedent opens the door for potential abuse. Also, try as I might, I find it impossible to not see that film as religious in its every single aspect.


That and and the over the top violence the movie depicts.

As to the movie in question, the teacher probably should have watched the movie first before showing it in class. I know I wouldn't show a movie before showing it in class even if it was rated 'G'.

And Lily is quite right, your teacher was more likely trying to save a potential headache as opposed to ruining your time-wasting (unless your teacher is like that too).

The thing is, your teacher isn't supposed to promote any religion in class no matter the -ism or -ity. Even showing a movie such as the one you watched, with a religious theme, can be construed as promoting religion (depending on how nutty the parent of course).

I know, but that's where my question comes in..
What do you think about that? I know about 20 years ago, after Oh Canada, in a public school, everyone had to stand up and say the Lord's prayer. Look at how much it's changed in two decades.


Yep kids are dumb as rocks and tell the teachers to go fuck themselves daily. Good job liberals you should be proud.

   



xerxes @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:23 pm

BrettAndrews BrettAndrews:
I know, but that's where my question comes in..
What do you think about that? I know about 20 years ago, after Oh Canada, in a public school, everyone had to stand up and say the Lord's prayer. Look at how much it's changed in two decades.


Personally (and for the record I consider myself an agnostic), I'm quite alright with that. When it comes to religion, you shouldn't be compelled into it in any way and I see prayer in schools as a form of compulsion. Religion should be done of one's own free will; you pray when you feel you should pray and so on.

Public schools and educators are asked to do many things but I don't think religious proselytising or instruction should be part of it. You want religious instruction for your kids? Do it yourself or send them to a private school.

   



hwacker @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:51 pm

lily lily:
$1:
I know about 20 years ago, after Oh Canada, in a public school, everyone had to stand up and say the Lord's prayer. Look at how much it's changed in two decades.

I don't remember singing O Canada on a daily basis, just at assemblies, and the last time we said the Lord's Prayer was in grade II. Oddly, my grade III teacher was a member at our church, and it was a JW kid who reminded her we hadn't said the prayer yet. Her answer... "if you want to pray you can go out in the hall".

This was 1972.


Boy you're old.

   



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