Sharia is not the problem
Brenda @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:04 pm
Why would you want a religious law mixed with civil law anyway?
Seperation of church and state... Sharia does not mix with that seperation.
roger-roger @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:04 pm
I dont like anything that would give us a seperate set of laws for a different group of people. Would they let me live under Sharia law even though I am an atheist?
martin14 @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:06 pm
no.. one country, same law for all.
Pimpbrewski @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:18 pm
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Eisensapper Eisensapper:
I dont like anything that would give us a seperate set of laws for a different group of people. Would they let me live under Sharia law even though I am an atheist?
If you were to live in a Muslim country
The only difference is that you are in Canada.
If you want to impose your own (insert word here
), nothing is stopping you going back where you came from. Perhaps a little to the point, still, we already have our own set of rules here and it's worked out pretty well. In comparison to other uncivilized parts of the world.
Brenda @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:27 pm
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Brenda Brenda:
Why would you want a religious law mixed with civil law anyway?
Seperation of church and state... Sharia does not mix with that seperation.
Seperation of church and state... Sharia does not mix with that seperation.
Well, actually its not a mixture. Muslims believe that they should be able to get a ruling regarding their civil matters from a qualified religions judge instead of a civil judge that was appointed by the government. The reason behind this is that the religious judge understands the laws behind Islamic marriage, divorce and so on. In order for a Muslim to be a proper Muslim, they must follow the law of the land and if there are some laws in Sharia law that can be used without violating the laws of the land then a Muslim should use Sharia law, of course with the permission of the authorities.
Christians don't have their own judges, Atheists don't, so why should muslims?
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For example, obviously we cannot cut a theifs hand off in Canada, but in Saudi you can but We can get divorced in Canada, so I don't see a problem with using Sharia law or civil law to get that divorce, since the end result is the same.
Well, that is what you say now, but where is the "obviously" in that? It is not common in Canada (even illegal), but wouldn't the Sharia Judges (or the extreme religious Muslims) want that too? I can't see why they wouldn't want that.
I see absolutely no point in getting Sharia law installed while we already have a sufficient non-religious set of laws... Especially since the end result is the same
That you have to take another step to have your marriage ended in a religious way, just like the Catholics do, is fine with me. But another set of laws, just for another religion, doesn't really sound like "integration" to me.
roger-roger @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:29 pm
Isnt that discriminatory though ?
hwacker @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:40 pm
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I dont like anything that would give us a seperate set of laws for a different group of people. Would they let me live under Sharia law even though I am an atheist?
If you were to live in a Muslim country, you will be treated as a non-Muslim meaning, Sharia law cannot apply to you since you are not Muslim, so you would be tried under a civil law similar to that of your home nation. If you review Islamic history, you will see that non-Muslims received their own rights, with their own set of laws instead of being objected to Islamic laws.
Canada is a great country, people come from all over the globe and bring garbage that they ran away from. Well if you want it so bad I'm sure there are flights daily.
Canada does not need that crap, we have made it this far without it.
Pimpbrewski @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:46 pm
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Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:
The only difference is that you are in Canada.
If you want to impose your own (insert word here
), nothing is stopping you going back where you came from. Perhaps a little to the point, still, we already have our own set of rules here and it's worked out pretty well. In comparison to other uncivilized parts of the world.
Do me a favor bud, and read what that post was a reply too before your make a comment, thnx
Now, if only you would have posted on the original thread, instead of created a new one.
http://www.sovereignty.org.uk/siteinfo/newsround/imconf/ic2.html
Still, look at Britain's situation now. Basically, they have a soft touch to immigration. They are simply being taken over. You cannot expect the Muslim world to rule everwhere they go.
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In 2005, a YouGov poll found that 32% of Muslims living in Britain believed that "western society is decadent and immoral and that Muslims should seek to bring it to an end". Moreover, 24% felt some sympathy with the feelings and motives of the July bombers.
We now have a growing number of people who feel no loyalty to our country and way of life. We cannot allow this to continue. We must send out a clear message to these people. Respect our laws and customs. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change. Keep your culture but don't try to force it on others. We did not ask you to come here. You asked to come. So accept the country you accepted.
We now have a growing number of people who feel no loyalty to our country and way of life. We cannot allow this to continue. We must send out a clear message to these people. Respect our laws and customs. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change. Keep your culture but don't try to force it on others. We did not ask you to come here. You asked to come. So accept the country you accepted.
Brenda @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:47 pm
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Isnt that discriminatory though ?
Yeah, that was my first thought too...
roger-roger @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:48 pm
You have two legal systems one, as an atheist, I am not allowed to partake in. Excluding someone due to religion, race or gender, correct me if I am wrong but isnt that against the constitution? How would you qualify a jugde in both? I am guessing he would have to be Muslim since a non Muslim could not judge someone on a legal system he is not responsible to.
hwacker @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:50 pm
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Canada is a great country, people come from all over the globe and bring garbage that they ran away from. Well if you want it so bad I'm sure there are flights daily.
Yes, Canada certainly has many airports that have daily flights, so I suggest you take the first one back to America, where they refer to someone's beliefs as garbage, cause Canadians don't, we embrace all human beings, no matter of what origin, color or race.
Piss off, take your religion (cult) and go back to whatever slum your parents came from. We will never have this in Canada. Oh and BTW alot of "Canadians" don't like muslims, i'm one of them please to meet you.
martin14 @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:56 pm
Eisensapper Eisensapper:
You have two legal systems one, as an atheist, I am not allowed to partake in. Excluding someone due to religion, race or gender, correct me if I am wrong but isnt that against the constitution? How would you qualify a jugde in both? I am guessing he would have to be Muslim since a non Muslim could not judge someone on a legal system he is not responsible to.
which starts to create an entire society within a society.. no thanks.
there is no benefit to Canada to permit this kind of nonsense.
I meet more and more Brits in Spain, fleeing the UK. they cant take it
anymore.
roger-roger @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:00 pm
I am not saying they are taking over either, but its VERY dangerous to let a religious organization have government control. Secular government is a VERY good idea, if you cant stand it dont live here.
hwacker @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:00 pm
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Sharia is not the problem
You're right it's not, it's the muslims that come to Canada thinking they can change our country to suit their own system they left back home.
I can see the open door closing very soon on some people.
Pimpbrewski @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:03 pm
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A Muslim must choose to use Canadian law (if they are to come to Canada), if thats what they want so that is not against the constitution because they are not restricted in their choice.
I made only one modification to your post.
Although, still funny that you did not quote the entire post of mine earlier. Typical, only pick and choose to fit your own theory right!
Look, Canada invites people from all over the world, the least the immigrants should do is respect our Canadian culture.