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Reference the book I noted above. The author was ahead of the curve on the Catholic sex scandal and he was also spot on in identifying that the RCC in the USA (at least) had been taken over by homosexuals...a fact that the RCC in Africa is violently angry about.

The conservatives have been systematically excluded from the US Catholic clergy and that's a big part of the problem.

You might want to avail yourself of some study time before you go publishing your purposeful ignorance for the world to see.

   

Why don't you read my last post. Liberals have nothing to do with this one!

And somehow I doubt that the 'conservative' Catholic insistence on a clergy made only of celibate males has nothing to do with this!

And these pedophile priests date back to long before there was any tolerance of gays even in liberal circles. And long before there even were liberals.

As much as it appeals to simplistic right-wing thinking, you can't blame all the evils, ails and inconveniences of the world on liberals.

   

So stuff like this never happened in the past?

   

Look up Council of Elvira, Spain, 306 AD.

   

People have been murdered in the past. Does that make the crime any less if it occurs today? Apparently so judging by how you and BF are playing this.

By the way, congrats to both of you for defending the child molesting Catholic priests.

   

No, you indicated that the Catholic Church had been "taken over" by homosexuals and conservatives are being excluded. I said that this has happened in the past, before the "big takeover by homosexuals."

Then you had the gall to indicate I supported sexual abuse by priests. Wow, but then, that's the way discussion at CKA is going!

   

Like the people who say retired military guys have no right to voice an opinion on how tax dollars are spent.

   

According to Raydan's quote the homosexual problem has been going on for a long time. Which still doesn't make it right.



Well, I'm condemning the sexual abuse and you're arguing with me about it.

And I did not indicate that conservatives are being excluded. I quoted a very knowledgeable person who did. Up until this week I was not aware of that particular issue in the RCC.

If you'd like to conclude that I was tacitly accepting the notion of homosexual yet conservative Catholic clergy then I suppose I was. I really am surprised to hear that their seminaries have been taken over by the liberals just as has happened in many Protestant denominations.

The gay problem in the RCC is patently obvious at this point. The movie "Spotlight" just picked up on Oscar for that story.

In any case, the RCC is heading for the rocks and in the US and Europe they're going to go the way of the United Methodists, the Episcopalians, and every other denomination that's been taken over by gay and lesbian liberals.

   

Who said that?

   

Bart

Re: Ray.

. Not just homosexuality.
Re: arguing about abuse. No Bart, I'm not arguing about it being wrong, just that it's not been brought on by a "take over." Instead, I feel it's caused by the church being so heirarchical. Give someone power over defenceless people, shit happens.

   

Really?

Read the thread again.

   

Guess that Bart still believes in the stereotype...

Public belief in the stereotype

The number of Americans who believe the myth that gay people are child molesters has declined substantially. In a 1970 national survey, more than 70% of respondents agreed with the assertions that "Homosexuals are dangerous as teachers or youth leaders because they try to get sexually involved with children" or that "Homosexuals try to play sexually with children if they cannot get an adult partner."

By contrast, in a 1999 national poll, the belief that most gay men are likely to molest or abuse children was endorsed by only 19% of heterosexual men and 10% of heterosexual women. Even fewer – 9% of men and 6% of women – regarded most lesbians as child molesters.

Consistent with these findings, Gallup polls have found that an increasing number of Americans would allow gay people to be elementary school teachers. For example, the proportion was 54% in 2005, compared to 27% in 1977.


And Bart...

Most molesters of boys do not report sexual interest in adult men

http://psc.dss.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML ... ation.html

   

Ray,

It is true that pedophiles and pederasts are generally not attracted to adults.

The issue in the Roman Catholic Church is that at least 80% of the sexual assaults on children involve male perpetrators and male victims.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02026.html

I don't let the Moslems slide on this either. I don't let them get away with saying how they loathe homosexuality and sodomy but buggering little boys is okay. Come on out of the prayer closet, Abdul!

I am not saying that all homosexuals are pedophiles nor am I saying they're all a threat to children.

But in the Roman Catholic Church there's a ridiculously disproportionate problem that is a layered issue with homosexual liberals being noted as controlling the Catholic seminaries and then child molesters coming out of those same seminaries. The people running those seminaries are diligently keeping out religious conservatives so forgive me if I do not believe it's an accident that their vetting process is producing the result we're seeing.

This may confound you, but I've never had a problem with homosexual religious conservatives in the Catholic Church because if they choose to be celibate then who cares if they were gay or not? They're not supposed to act on it either way and I will agree with this current pope that so long as a priest keeps their vows then their sexuality is not to be an issue to their service.

Makes sense to me.

But seems to me there's a systematic effort to make the RCC a 'safe space' for child predators.

Impolitic as it may be, the problem is somehow linked to homosexual liberals running the seminaries.

The even greater problem in the RCC is the hierarchy that goes to great lengths to protect the child molesters when they're exposed. The fact of known molesters being placed in parishes where they can assault again (instead of being cloistered like the Church used to do with such people) indicates that what they're doing is not necessarily seen as wrong.

Which is disgusting.

Sorry this is bothering you but don't think I'm condemning all gay people here.

It's just the same paradigm that not all Muslims are terrorists but most terrorists are Muslims.

Not all of the molesters in the RCC are homosexual, but most of them are. This is not reflective of society but is an aberrance or anomaly within the RCC. If we start with the understanding that gay liberals run the seminaries and that they exclude religious conservatives then the anomaly makes sense as just that, an anomaly.

But you can't deal with the problem until you identify it.

Okay?

   

Amazing the part-time Christian is always the guy to come to the defence of the religion or points fingers in order to deflect as much a possible.

It's not the religion, silly, It's the faggots!

   

But it's not the terrorists, it's the Muslims.

   

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