UK Met Office: No global warming the past 15 years
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eureka @ Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:08 pm
I did not claim 12 years of military service and you are a fool not worth the trouble.
BartSimpson @ Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:51 pm
eureka eureka:
I did not claim 12 years of military service
That much I misread. My mistake and my apologies.
Gunnair @ Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:51 pm
eureka eureka:
I did not claim 12 years of military service and you are a fool not worth the trouble.
Poser, liar, braggart, and a plagiarist of other's peoples work that you use to pretend you have extensive knowledge of your own.
Gunnair @ Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:52 pm
eureka eureka:
I did not claim 12 years of military service and you are a fool not worth the trouble.
How much then? Which regiment?
ShepherdsDog @ Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:09 pm
D.O.P.e is really Casca Rufio Longinus so the list is too long. A fictional character, but then again so is Eureka
mentalfloss @ Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:10 pm
sandorski sandorski:
Within a Week, I predict, that Article will be debunked as misrepresenting the facts. Sorry, this has been done by Deniers regularly and as such is just the same old tired song and dance. Congrats.
Pretty much.
Old hat.
PluggyRug @ Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:29 pm
eureka eureka:
Carbon is composed of three different isotopes 14C, 13C and 12C of which 12C is the most common and 14C (used for dating purposes) is only about 1 in 1 trillion atoms. 13C is about 1% of the total.
Over the last few decades, isotope geochemists have worked together with tree rings experts to construct a time series of atmospheric 14C variations over the last 10,000 years. This work is motivated by a variety of questions, most having to do with increasing the accuracy of the radiocarbon dating method. A byproduct of this work is that we also have a very nice record of atmospheric 13C variations through time, and what we find is that at no time in the last 10,000 years are the 13C/12C ratios in the atmosphere as low as they are today. Furthermore, the 13C/12C ratios begin to decline dramatically just as the CO2 starts to increase — around 1850 AD. This is no surprise because fossil fuels have lower 13C/12C ratios than the atmosphere.
Over the last few decades, isotope geochemists have worked together with tree rings experts to construct a time series of atmospheric 14C variations over the last 10,000 years. This work is motivated by a variety of questions, most having to do with increasing the accuracy of the radiocarbon dating method. A byproduct of this work is that we also have a very nice record of atmospheric 13C variations through time, and what we find is that at no time in the last 10,000 years are the 13C/12C ratios in the atmosphere as low as they are today. Furthermore, the 13C/12C ratios begin to decline dramatically just as the CO2 starts to increase — around 1850 AD. This is no surprise because fossil fuels have lower 13C/12C ratios than the atmosphere.
There are actually 16 carbon isotopes, 12C and 13C being the only stable types, 14C having a half life of 5700 years. The others living only minutes or seconds.
The remainder of your post about ratios is gobbledygook as any increase in CO2 will have equal ratios of stable isotopes, the unstable ones playing little or no part.
Fossil fuels have no 14C isotopes as they have decayed long ago.
eureka @ Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:16 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
eureka eureka:
Carbon is composed of three different isotopes 14C, 13C and 12C of which 12C is the most common and 14C (used for dating purposes) is only about 1 in 1 trillion atoms. 13C is about 1% of the total.
Over the last few decades, isotope geochemists have worked together with tree rings experts to construct a time series of atmospheric 14C variations over the last 10,000 years. This work is motivated by a variety of questions, most having to do with increasing the accuracy of the radiocarbon dating method. A byproduct of this work is that we also have a very nice record of atmospheric 13C variations through time, and what we find is that at no time in the last 10,000 years are the 13C/12C ratios in the atmosphere as low as they are today. Furthermore, the 13C/12C ratios begin to decline dramatically just as the CO2 starts to increase — around 1850 AD. This is no surprise because fossil fuels have lower 13C/12C ratios than the atmosphere.
Over the last few decades, isotope geochemists have worked together with tree rings experts to construct a time series of atmospheric 14C variations over the last 10,000 years. This work is motivated by a variety of questions, most having to do with increasing the accuracy of the radiocarbon dating method. A byproduct of this work is that we also have a very nice record of atmospheric 13C variations through time, and what we find is that at no time in the last 10,000 years are the 13C/12C ratios in the atmosphere as low as they are today. Furthermore, the 13C/12C ratios begin to decline dramatically just as the CO2 starts to increase — around 1850 AD. This is no surprise because fossil fuels have lower 13C/12C ratios than the atmosphere.
There are actually 16 carbon isotopes, 12C and 13C being the only stable types, 14C having a half life of 5700 years. The others living only minutes or seconds.
The remainder of your post about ratios is gobbledygook as any increase in CO2 will have equal ratios of stable isotopes, the unstable ones playing little or no part.
Fossil fuels have no 14C isotopes as they have decayed long ago.
Tell that to this writer of "gobbledygook." He wrote it and I am sure he would appreciate your correction.
Eric Steig is an isotope geochemist at the University of Washington in Seattle. His primary research interest is use of ice core records to document climate variability in the past. He also works on the geological history of ice sheets, on ice sheet dynamics, on statistical climate analysis, and on atmospheric chemistry.
He received a BA from Hampshire College at Amherst, MA, and M.S. and PhDs in Geological Sciences at the University of Washington, and was a DOE Global Change Graduate fellow. He was on the research faculty at the University of Colorado and taught at the University of Pennsylvania prior to returning to the University of Washington 2001. He has served on the national steering committees for the Ice Core Working Group, the Paleoenvironmental Arctic Sciences initiative, and the West Antarctic Ice Sheet Initiative, all sponsored by the US National Science Foundation. He was a senior editor of the journal Quaternary Research, and is currently director of the Quaternary Research Center. He has published more than 60 peer-reviewed articles in international journals.
ShepherdsDog @ Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:06 pm
I like how D.O.P.e fails to use the quote function, to try and make himself appear like he's a learned person.... and still fails miserably in the process(again I blame the multi generational incest that his family engaged in). He claims to have an expert opinion in the topics he blathers about, but all it is, is an expertise in Google, bovine feces and use of the cut and paste function.
PluggyRug @ Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:07 pm
eureka eureka:
Tell that to this writer of "gobbledygook." He wrote it and I am sure he would appreciate your correction.
Eric Steig is an isotope geochemist at the University of Washington in Seattle. His primary research interest is use of ice core records to document climate variability in the past. He also works on the geological history of ice sheets, on ice sheet dynamics, on statistical climate analysis, and on atmospheric chemistry.
He received a BA from Hampshire College at Amherst, MA, and M.S. and PhDs in Geological Sciences at the University of Washington, and was a DOE Global Change Graduate fellow. He was on the research faculty at the University of Colorado and taught at the University of Pennsylvania prior to returning to the University of Washington 2001. He has served on the national steering committees for the Ice Core Working Group, the Paleoenvironmental Arctic Sciences initiative, and the West Antarctic Ice Sheet Initiative, all sponsored by the US National Science Foundation. He was a senior editor of the journal Quaternary Research, and is currently director of the Quaternary Research Center. He has published more than 60 peer-reviewed articles in international journals.
Eric Steig is an isotope geochemist at the University of Washington in Seattle. His primary research interest is use of ice core records to document climate variability in the past. He also works on the geological history of ice sheets, on ice sheet dynamics, on statistical climate analysis, and on atmospheric chemistry.
He received a BA from Hampshire College at Amherst, MA, and M.S. and PhDs in Geological Sciences at the University of Washington, and was a DOE Global Change Graduate fellow. He was on the research faculty at the University of Colorado and taught at the University of Pennsylvania prior to returning to the University of Washington 2001. He has served on the national steering committees for the Ice Core Working Group, the Paleoenvironmental Arctic Sciences initiative, and the West Antarctic Ice Sheet Initiative, all sponsored by the US National Science Foundation. He was a senior editor of the journal Quaternary Research, and is currently director of the Quaternary Research Center. He has published more than 60 peer-reviewed articles in international journals.
He did not write what you wrote, there's the rub. The fact that burning fossil fuels will add to atmospheric CO2 is undeniable. Your post intimated that there are two CO2 molecules who's ratio has dramatically changed due to C12 C13 and C14.
The difference between the competent and the incompetent is that the incompetent do nor realise how incompetent they are.
ShepherdsDog @ Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:11 pm
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=87
is where he copied that from.
andyt @ Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:56 am
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
He did not write what you wrote, there's the rub. The fact that burning fossil fuels will add to atmospheric CO2 is undeniable. Your post intimated that there are two CO2 molecules who's ratio has dramatically changed due to C12 C13 and C14.
The difference between the competent and the incompetent is that the incompetent do nor realise how incompetent they are.
Are you seriously disputing that plants take up a different ratio of C12/13 vs the atmospheric ratio, or that the atmospheric ratio has changed to be close to that of plants as we've dumped more plant based carbon into it?
N_Fiddledog @ Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:32 am
And wasn't Eric Steig that genius who smeared warming all over the Antarctic from a small warming area, with some sort of magic math, then when MacIntyre basically pulled his math apart said something that basically equated to "Oops. Me bad".
But it was too late. The MSM had gone crazy with the "Antarctic Warming", headline then did no follow up with the "Oops, I was wrong", stuff.
eureka @ Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:47 am
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
eureka eureka:
Tell that to this writer of "gobbledygook." He wrote it and I am sure he would appreciate your correction.
Eric Steig is an isotope geochemist at the University of Washington in Seattle. His primary research interest is use of ice core records to document climate variability in the past. He also works on the geological history of ice sheets, on ice sheet dynamics, on statistical climate analysis, and on atmospheric chemistry.
He received a BA from Hampshire College at Amherst, MA, and M.S. and PhDs in Geological Sciences at the University of Washington, and was a DOE Global Change Graduate fellow. He was on the research faculty at the University of Colorado and taught at the University of Pennsylvania prior to returning to the University of Washington 2001. He has served on the national steering committees for the Ice Core Working Group, the Paleoenvironmental Arctic Sciences initiative, and the West Antarctic Ice Sheet Initiative, all sponsored by the US National Science Foundation. He was a senior editor of the journal Quaternary Research, and is currently director of the Quaternary Research Center. He has published more than 60 peer-reviewed articles in international journals.
Eric Steig is an isotope geochemist at the University of Washington in Seattle. His primary research interest is use of ice core records to document climate variability in the past. He also works on the geological history of ice sheets, on ice sheet dynamics, on statistical climate analysis, and on atmospheric chemistry.
He received a BA from Hampshire College at Amherst, MA, and M.S. and PhDs in Geological Sciences at the University of Washington, and was a DOE Global Change Graduate fellow. He was on the research faculty at the University of Colorado and taught at the University of Pennsylvania prior to returning to the University of Washington 2001. He has served on the national steering committees for the Ice Core Working Group, the Paleoenvironmental Arctic Sciences initiative, and the West Antarctic Ice Sheet Initiative, all sponsored by the US National Science Foundation. He was a senior editor of the journal Quaternary Research, and is currently director of the Quaternary Research Center. He has published more than 60 peer-reviewed articles in international journals.
He did not write what you wrote, there's the rub. The fact that burning fossil fuels will add to atmospheric CO2 is undeniable. Your post intimated that there are two CO2 molecules who's ratio has dramatically changed due to C12 C13 and C14.
The difference between the competent and the incompetent is that the incompetent do nor realise how incompetent they are.
Learn to read, or, if you know how to read, then learn to think. It is the ratio between two of the isotopes that signifies.
eureka @ Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:49 am
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
And wasn't Eric Steig that genius who smeared warming all over the Antarctic from a small warming area, with some sort of magic math, then when MacIntyre basically pulled his math apart said something that basically equated to "Oops. Me bad".
But it was too late. The MSM had gone crazy with the "Antarctic Warming", headline then did no follow up with the "Oops, I was wrong", stuff.
But it was too late. The MSM had gone crazy with the "Antarctic Warming", headline then did no follow up with the "Oops, I was wrong", stuff.
No McIntyre was wrong as always. And misrepresenting. And lying.
I wonder that you would even raise his name. He is a disgrace ti this country.
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