UK Met Office: No global warming the past 15 years
BartSimpson @ Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:59 am
Hey, Konsensus Klowns, the UK Met Office - a one-time willing co-conspirator in the AGW hoax, has now made it official that there's been no global warming the past 15 years and that the new fear is of global cooling!!!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... again.html
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The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.
The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the Thames in the 17th Century.
Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.
Meanwhile, leading climate scientists yesterday told The Mail on Sunday that, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a ‘grand minimum’ in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food.
Solar output goes through 11-year cycles, with high numbers of sunspots seen at their peak.
We are now at what should be the peak of what scientists call ‘Cycle 24’ – which is why last week’s solar storm resulted in sightings of the aurora borealis further south than usual. But sunspot numbers are running at less than half those seen during cycle peaks in the 20th Century.
Analysis by experts at NASA and the University of Arizona – derived from magnetic-field measurements 120,000 miles beneath the sun’s surface – suggest that Cycle 25, whose peak is due in 2022, will be a great deal weaker still.
The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the Thames in the 17th Century.
Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.
Meanwhile, leading climate scientists yesterday told The Mail on Sunday that, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a ‘grand minimum’ in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food.
Solar output goes through 11-year cycles, with high numbers of sunspots seen at their peak.
We are now at what should be the peak of what scientists call ‘Cycle 24’ – which is why last week’s solar storm resulted in sightings of the aurora borealis further south than usual. But sunspot numbers are running at less than half those seen during cycle peaks in the 20th Century.
Analysis by experts at NASA and the University of Arizona – derived from magnetic-field measurements 120,000 miles beneath the sun’s surface – suggest that Cycle 25, whose peak is due in 2022, will be a great deal weaker still.
While I still am a big fan of reducing pollution just for the sake of clean air, I'm quite happy to see this AGW bull$hit die the proper death all such nonsense deserves.
Of course, some of the AGW cultists (not to be confused with rational people who will simply change their minds based on this new information) will now call the UK Met Office a bunch of 'climate change deniers'.
BartSimpson @ Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:01 pm
More on this at the link.
bootlegga @ Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:12 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Hey, Konsensus Klowns, the UK Met Office - a one-time willing co-conspirator in the AGW hoax, has now made it official that there's been no global warming the past 15 years and that the new fear is of global cooling!!!!
Strange, you'd think if the world was actually cooling, that glaciers in North America would be growing, not retreating...
From an article in 2006 (or close to a decade after the climate supposedly stopped warming and started cooling again)
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Glacier National Park might soon need a new name.
The Montana park has 26 named glaciers today, down from 150 in 1850. Those that remain are typically mere remnants of their former frozen selves, a new gallery of before and after images reveals.
The Montana park has 26 named glaciers today, down from 150 in 1850. Those that remain are typically mere remnants of their former frozen selves, a new gallery of before and after images reveals.
http://www.livescience.com/674-glaciers ... hotos.html
Same goes for glaciers in Canada (this report is from 2011, 14 years after global warming supposedly ended);
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Canada’s glaciers cover roughly 200,000 square kilometres, about 75% located on the Arctic Islands. Six glaciers in two regions of Canada—the Western Cordillera and the High Arctic—have been shrinking since standardized measurements of their mass began at various times during the 1960s and 1970s.
The Western Cordillera region includes the Helm Glacier and the Place Glacier in the southern Coast Mountains of British Columbia and the Peyto Glacier located in Banff National Park, Alberta. The Devon Ice Cap, the Meighen Ice Cap and the White Glacier, all in Nunavut, are located in the High Arctic region.
Although the mass of all six of these glaciers has declined, there are regional differences, with the three glaciers located in the High Arctic showing a less pronounced and slower loss of mass than those in the Western Cordillera. The Helm and Place Glaciers have shown the most significant shrinkage.
Because glacial mass integrates the long-term variability of precipitation, mean temperature and cloud cover, its changes are considered among the most robust indicators of climate change.
{Bolding mine}The Western Cordillera region includes the Helm Glacier and the Place Glacier in the southern Coast Mountains of British Columbia and the Peyto Glacier located in Banff National Park, Alberta. The Devon Ice Cap, the Meighen Ice Cap and the White Glacier, all in Nunavut, are located in the High Arctic region.
Although the mass of all six of these glaciers has declined, there are regional differences, with the three glaciers located in the High Arctic showing a less pronounced and slower loss of mass than those in the Western Cordillera. The Helm and Place Glaciers have shown the most significant shrinkage.
Because glacial mass integrates the long-term variability of precipitation, mean temperature and cloud cover, its changes are considered among the most robust indicators of climate change.
Indeed, most glaciers around the world are retreating for decades, and continue to do so. I could Google links for the Himalayas, Europe, South America, etc, but this Wikipedia article sums it up quite nicely;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_of ... since_1850
Sorry, Bart, the climate looks to still be warming, and the only real question is how much mankind is responsible (the amount to which I freely admit I do not know).
Bruce_E_T @ Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:31 pm
The long and winding road that leads through climate change.
Here is a good article about how the eruption of 4 volcanoes in the tropics between 1350 and 1400 touched off the Little Ice Age. Hot makes cold, right? Stay tuned. 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16797075
BartSimpson @ Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:54 pm
bootlegga bootlegga:
Sorry, Bart, the climate looks to still be warming, and the only real question is how much mankind is responsible (the amount to which I freely admit I do not know).
So you're saying the UK Met Office was right when they predicted global warming and that now they're wrong because they're saying things that conflict with your cherished beliefs?
Who's the denier now?
sandorski @ Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:55 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
bootlegga bootlegga:
Sorry, Bart, the climate looks to still be warming, and the only real question is how much mankind is responsible (the amount to which I freely admit I do not know).
So you're saying the UK Met Office was right when they predicted global warming and that now they're wrong because they're saying things that conflict with your cherished beliefs?
Who's the denier now?
Within a Week, I predict, that Article will be debunked as misrepresenting the facts. Sorry, this has been done by Deniers regularly and as such is just the same old tired song and dance. Congrats.
eureka @ Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:29 pm
The article does misrepresent the facts. It is the interpretation of a Daily Mail journalist and nothing to do with fact or report. The "scientists" questioned for comment are just a few of the more prominent deniers who give no scientific basis for their "opinions."
The Daily Mail is one of the "news" sources that joins with the Murdoch stable in misrepresentation and outright lying.
The fact is, that the past decade is the warmest in the record and that FACT makes everything in the report of the Mail untrue.
bootlegga @ Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:08 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
bootlegga bootlegga:
Sorry, Bart, the climate looks to still be warming, and the only real question is how much mankind is responsible (the amount to which I freely admit I do not know).
So you're saying the UK Met Office was right when they predicted global warming and that now they're wrong because they're saying things that conflict with your cherished beliefs?
Who's the denier now?
I'm not denying anything. A reporter cherry-picking a few numbers out of a report is hardly scientific.
It's no different than me pointing out that today in Edmonton it is +5 Celsius, when the average high temperature for today is actually -7 degrees Celsius (with an average low of -18). That, in and of itself, is not proof that the world is warming either. Indeed, even the fact that Edmonton's winter has been much milder than the past couple of years isn't even proof. Proof comes from huge chunks of data, gathered over the course of decades, not data dervied from a single day or even a couple of months.
Provide a link to the original report so I can read it and then maybe I'll believe you. Until I see something better that shows that climate change isn't happening, I'll stick to long term indicators like glaciers retreating (almost everywhere on Earth BTW) that suggest that someway, somehow, the planet is getting warmer.
BartSimpson @ Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:31 pm
bootlegga bootlegga:
Provide a link to the original report
I'm trying to find it, myself. I've been all over the Met Office site and can't find the bleeding thing even though they released it just last week. A Met Office press release acknowledges the paper but still does not link to it.
BartSimpson @ Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:40 pm
In poking around I did come across another paper that says what some heliologists have been saying with regards to global warming....
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During the 20th century solar activity increased in magnitude to a so called `grand maximum'.
Meaning that the warming can be principally attributed to a hotter sun. Now that the grand maximum is ending one would expect a cooling to follow but these fellows move from heliology to climatology (not their specialty) when they couch their findings in AGW-ese.
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/pip/2011JD017013.shtml
sandorski @ Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:57 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
In poking around I did come across another paper that says what some heliologists have been saying with regards to global warming....
Meaning that the warming can be principally attributed to a hotter sun. Now that the grand maximum is ending one would expect a cooling to follow but these fellows move from heliology to climatology (not their specialty) when they couch their findings in AGW-ese.
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/pip/2011JD017013.shtml
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During the 20th century solar activity increased in magnitude to a so called `grand maximum'.
Meaning that the warming can be principally attributed to a hotter sun. Now that the grand maximum is ending one would expect a cooling to follow but these fellows move from heliology to climatology (not their specialty) when they couch their findings in AGW-ese.
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/pip/2011JD017013.shtml
No, for the nth time, no.
BartSimpson @ Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:12 pm
sandorski sandorski:
No, for the nth time, no.
I forgot, the sun has NOTHING to do with whether or not it is warm or cold on the earth.
sandorski @ Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:17 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
sandorski sandorski:
No, for the nth time, no.
I forgot, the sun has NOTHING to do with whether or not it is warm or cold on the earth.
Not what I said.
eureka @ Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:01 pm
Actually, it can be found on the Met site by looking for the temperature record. That is all the Met released. All the "spin" is by a knucle dragger hack employed by the Daily Mail.
It is fiction and nonsense.
I think, Bart, you are misreading the abstract you found. It says without reservation that AGW is the source, not the Sun.
"Past solar activity is used to estimate future changes in total solar irradiance
The impact on future global temperatures is estimated with a climate model
The Sun's influence is much smaller than future anthropogenic warming"
The Sun has been in a negative phase nor for some fifty years. What little effect it has had would cause a slight cooling. A cooling that has been overwhelming by anthropogenically caused warming.
Further, neither a Grand Maximum or a Grand Minimum would have any significant effect on temperature. The last Maunder Minimum just a couple of centuries ago did not send us into an Ice Age. In fact, the lowest Global mean in that time was barely .5C below the long term mean.
EyeBrock @ Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:43 pm
I think that it's pretty obvious that the planet is in a warming trend. The Daily Mail is great for cleavage shots and who's shagging who though.