Previous  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8 ... 12  Next

She used to be my ex, then YouReeka caught us at it and ordered an apocalypse.

   

Then try this one:



This is a ranking official in the IPCC complaining that the policy has been hijacked by politics.

You'll just dismiss that, of course.

That said, I am done with this and will not be returning to this topic because there's no point so kindly don't address anything to me after this as you'll just be playing with yourself.

   

You started this thread and you got exactly what you wanted out of it. Furthermore, you'll likely start another hundred just like it.

   

From the article posted in the OP -

For me that pretty much says it all. The article wasn't even worth the author's effort to write it.

There have been so many different and conflicting reports from so many different scientists specializing in so many different areas of science for so many years now .... I think with all of them the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing and none of them can agree with each other about anything. I'll just take all of their reports with a pinch of salt from now on and wait and observe for myself to see what happens.

If the weird climate we're all experiencing right now is what some solar scientists call cooling I'd hate to see what they call warming.

If the weather and climate gets colder or warmer will all depend on what happens with the entire conveyor belt in all the oceans, not just the little loops and drifts parts of it in individual locations. The conveyor belt is effected just as much by all the hot volcanic geysers continually erupting from the earth beneath the ocean floors into the water as it is by whatever is happening with the sun.

My money is on Mother Earth and whatever volcanic actions continue or discontinue to happen beneath the ocean floors and on land surface rather than on the cyclical burps and hiccups from the sun. There may be scientists who can make predictions about the sun but there are no scientists that can predict what earth is going to do, it just isn't possible because there's no way of knowing.

.

   

What "outraged" emails to what massacre. Stick to reality.

There is not a climate scientist who has gone public about this that has not received deeath threats.

Even Hayhoe and Ally who, by the way, are Republicans (not "leftists") whateever political persuasion has to do with facts. Hayhoe is also a "born again Christian."

If you wish to claim that the accusations of anti intellectualism etc. are hyperbole, then you are going to have to do more than shout. You will have to show that they are wrong.

   

There are no "ranking officuals with the IPCC, other than Pachurai who runs the office.

If you read the whole interview instead of pulling out McIntyre's quotes. I might credit you with thinking about it.

Endenhofer is an economist not a scientist. He was giving his view of the moral choices.

And he is right though few dare say it. The actions of Right Wing governments and their financiers have taken this out of the realm of climate policy.

   

I am not sure what you are getting at, Nuggets. There are no conflicting reports. There is virtually unanimous agreement among scientists that the Earth is warming and that C)2 driven forcings are the cause. CO2 produced by man.

Undersea volcanoes etc. have little to do with this. The Earth has been in a relatively quiet volcanic phase for several decades at least. Volcanoes when they happen, have a temporary cooling effect.

   

And if Bart doesn't I'm sure someone on the pro side will.

It's getting as predictable as the sunrise and sunset and I find I now pay just as much attention to it. I'm an average guy living my average life and due to the sheer level of bullshit demonstrated by both sides I've stopped listening. Congrats to both, I think you've lost the centre.

I'm out. This topic is now like religion and politics. Shit you don't discuss with people unless you're looking for a fight.

   

Agreed. Sometimes you tune out the barking dogs.

   

My feelings exactly, well said!

   

Again eureka, threats are in fact NOT a comparison to state/church sponsored torture and murder. Not that I'm excusing those who took the time to be idiots and utter them.
But if that's the case, the suggestions that "non believers" should be put in re-education camps to "force a conversion", among other more heinous suggestions puts an unknown number of the pro-supporters on the the same level as the Inquisition as well.
Very reminiscent of 12th century (and on) Catholic Church dogma really.

The pro-AGW side is showing a religious zealotry that's disturbing. They will shove their beliefs down your throat whether you want them or not. And if you refuse to swallow, they'll send you to a camp where you will be programmed to think just like they do. Those that can't be programmed will be liquidated since they are obviously monsters and a threat to global society. This is exactly what will happen if we let the lefties take over the world. It's just communism disguised as environmentalism

See how much fun hyperbole is?

I am Bender. Please insert girder.

   

Typical deflection, P.A. You find some obscure character calling for those things and you generalise to the whole world. Very few say those things. That shows the remarkable restraint of normal people in the face of the deliberate comp-0licity in the deaths of millions by the political naysayers.

And the numbers are now in the millions.

But, the deniers, led by Morano and several other paid lackeys of certain industries actually encourage the deluded public to threaten and even attack scientists.

This is not a tit for tat situation. It is the deliberate attempt to suppress science

Then there are those who actually are gulled by the propaganda. They are the anti intellectuals; the opponents of vaccinations; berate attempt to suppress science: to intimidate the practitioners.

The propagandists and the so called sceptic scientists are the same hirelings who fought on behalf of the Tobacco industry.

   

Eureka, I agree with you that there is almost unanimous agreement NOW that the climate is changing. However, up until even only a couple of years ago (is that when the climategate emails scandal happened?) it was still in dispute. There are still people insisting that nothing is happening or that the earth is cooling and headed for another mini-ice age - as is evidenced by Bart and that article that Bart posted. This isn't the only the forum that I've seen in the past couple of days where that article was a topic of discussion and people are still saying "Aha, see the earth isn't warming, it's cooling and we need to prepare for an ice age!!"

I believe there is still dispute over whether or not climate change is strictly anthropogenic because of CO2 produced by man. Much of the CO2 that gets released into the atmosphere has its origin in the oceans and that is not anthropogenic. When I mentioned undersea volcanoes I was referring to the undersea volcanic activity which creates the many hydrothermal vents (a.k.a. black smokers and white smokers) that are contributing liquid CO2, sulfides and other volcanic gases into the ocean waters. Those sources of CO2 should not be discounted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrothermal_vent

.

   

I don't think anybody is discounting them. But what would account for the oceans all of a sudden releasing a lot more CO2 and that this happens to coincide with the industrial age? I mean before we started burning carbon in mass quantities, atmospheric CO2 was pretty constant, no? Yet those undersea volcanoes would have been just as active then, no?

I can't see how there would be much doubt that the recent increase in atmospheric CO2 is primarily anthropogenic. The question is what effect this will have on climate, and there still seems to be plenty of room for debate on that one, tho you'd have to think it would cause a warming trend.

   

Oh yes, I agree that the increase in atmospheric CO2 is primarily anthropogenic. Industrial activity has contributed to water pollution which contributes to acidity and dead zones and increased CO2 in the oceans which is then released into the atmosphere. I don't think it's solely industrial activity that accounts for increased CO2 though, I think the growth in world population has also contributed to it. The planet's human population has gone from 2 billion in 1930 to 7 billion in 2011. Of course, it was industrialization that has allowed such a population explosion to happen in such a short period of time. That's 7 billion people producing CO2 just from breathing.

.

   

Previous  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8 ... 12  Next