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Doesn't matter if you have coverage in the US. Your insurance company can refuse any treatment they don't want to pay for. You also have to pick your doctor from a fricken list of approved doctors. When I lived in Denver I had a medical clinic in the building i worked in but had to drive half across the city to find a doctor on the stupid list.

   

And Death is FOREVER.

   

Wait, what? So 29 million could be insured but choose not to be, so they don't count, even though if they get some condition while uninsured, that then becomes a pre-existing condition, and they'll have a really hard time getting it covered if they can at all.

Add to that a potential 20 million illegals, and we're at 49 million uninsured that don't count, out of an original figure of 47 (104% for those keeping score). So not only is every single American covered, a very small number are covered for two people! Go US health care!

Great, there are programs to help kids of poor parents. They're not covered now. That's a big problem. See pre-existing conditions above. Same goes for the young and uninsured adults.

For all these people who could participate but simply chose not to to actually not count, any issue they have while eligible but simply not signed up yet would have to be retroactively covered once they do sign up. There is no claim that this happens, and I'd very much doubt if this claim can be factually made at all. Insurance of any sort typically doesn't like to cover things that happen while not under coverage.

   

Oh, it's this BS. Some Americans make the Iraqi Information Minister look like a school boy.

   

The cost of comprehensive health insurance coverage for workers and retirees is one of the major factors that effectively killed GM and Chrysler. Have some sort of partnership with publically-covered health care and both corporations, and probably many many others in the United States, wouldn't have come so close to collapsing.

   

Any one remeber electric Buford?? hes not been around for a long while.. well he once told me it was costing him 260.00 a month for a decent health plan that covers Dr's and presrcitoptiopn etc.. the HMO thing there is a rip off.. the3y will take your money but then if you get sick they cut coverages etc..

   

and do you know why it is still elective?

   

The issue concerning this demographic of the uninsured is that they have the means to pay for health insurance but generally choose not to. The debate in the United States right now is how to expand health insurance and how to fund it. It is a very legitimate argument that if you have the means and you choose not to buy health insurance, why should the taxpayer cover you when you choose not to pick up your own bill? Should the government also pick up your life insurance? What about your home insurance or your car insurance? Perhaps the government should force people to carry health insurance, like they do with your car, and as mortgage lenders do for your home. But you will find no sympathy here for people who refuse to pay their way when they can afford to and when most everyone else does.

   

Yes and it's stupid because " A positive diagnosis of HIV with confirming blood tests is considered a disability"

Why is one lifestyle covered and the other not ?

   

"Lifestyle"? Why do I think this is code for something else?

And just while we're on the topic, is type II diabetes a lifestyle? What about a broken leg? Knee surgery? Certain cancers? Hey, why should we pay for kids as well - especially special ed (isn't that a product of parent's genes and lifestyles)? And why should we pay for anything because we are the products of our parent's lifestyles?

   

Yes, the issue of choice in whether or not to have coverage is a major one, and mandatory participation is a key factor in a successful public health care system.

But still, those 29 million (just less than one in ten Americans) face potentially serious repercussions for their choice not to have coverage, and you cannot simply delete them from the count and say there's no problem. Or are health care costs not really one of the leading causes of bankruptcy in the US?

   

Correction, I heard YOUR story about the state of health care in Canada and given your inability to grasp any reality that hasn't been spoonfed to you on www.stormfront.org, I doubt the veracity of it anyway.

Besides, if the American system is gangbusters for you, nobody's stopping you from moving. Have a smile when your coverage is rescinded 2 days before your life-saving surgery because some crackerjack investigator discovered you got tetanus from a rusty nail you were using to hammer together a cross to burn on somebody's lawn.

   

Are you going to follow me around and make false, slanderous accusations on every post?

You’re like a 9 year old in high school.

Maybe you should read

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at applies to you as well dayseed

   

Gee Dayseed, sounds like a compliment. Where I come from, 9 year olds are in grade 3 or 4. He must think you are very smart to be so young and in high school.

dave-- good by!

   

Goddamn Dave Racist, I WAS THE FOURTH POST on this thread. Guess who was #5? Oh, it was YOU QUOTING ME. Do you understand the word "follow"? Here's a helpful definition you can print out and put on your bathroom mirror: It's what you do with my lead.



Damn I'm a genius then! Thanks!



Did you just barf all that out? For future reference Dave, here's something you can try. Don't just crank out a huuuuuuge paragraph of things with absolutely no context or reference point for anybody stumbling across it. It's not up to me to wade through your cut 'n paste looking for salient points to extract, counter and dismiss. That's just intellectual laziness on your part and it masks an inability to form a cogent argument.

In other words, don't worry Dave, I'm not looking to infringe on your trade secrets of self-embarassment. That must be what you wanted to let me know from the above cut 'n paste, right?



Again, if you're going to quote things from this website Dave, you may want to refrain from off-topic karmic waxing...especially when you've clearly misunderstood your own allegation AND you follow up your mistake with an insult...a botched insult, but an insult nonetheless. Read your barf about defamatory comments. I personally don't have any problems with insults, but if you want to throw those stones, make sure you don't live in a glass-house.

So, consider yourself suitably lectured and stick to the topic at hand.

For everybody else, does anybody have meaningful statistics to contribute? So far, it seems as though the anecdotal investigation isn't leading us anywhere.

   

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