Is the US really No. 1?
Canadaka @ Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:19 pm
that comment wasn't really needed after Uboats good post....
RAHOWA @ Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:52 pm
PJB PJB:
Let's see what else the United States is #1 at:
Highest number of murders per capita.
Highest number of privately owned firearms.
Highest number of gang related violent acts.
Come on folks. Let's all join in. America is number 1!
Highest number of murders per capita.
Highest number of privately owned firearms.
Highest number of gang related violent acts.
Come on folks. Let's all join in. America is number 1!
Here in Canada we have a quantity of firearms however few of the black one, so the low crime rate stays.
Streaker @ Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:01 pm
...your bigotry is so obvious!
On the other hand, if you can prove that you really are a professor at the University of Toronto, I will apologise to you.
Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:08 pm
PJB wrote:
$1:
Let's see what else the United States is #1 at:
Highest number of murders per capita.
Highest number of privately owned firearms.
Highest number of gang related violent acts.
Come on folks. Let's all join in. America is number 1!
Highest number of murders per capita.
Highest number of privately owned firearms.
Highest number of gang related violent acts.
Come on folks. Let's all join in. America is number 1!
I think you've already proved PJB that you want to start a yelling war with your comments about the US. Everyone knows that the US has high crime rates. Where did you get your high rate of murders per capita? According to nation master, the country with the highest rate of murders per capita is Columbia.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_cap
The United States is the 24th most murderous country. If you are going to start flame wars, at least be correct in your statistics. Even as far as deaths from firearms goes, the US isn't first.
Even as far as just plain numbers of Murder, the US isn't first. As far as the number of murders from fire arms goes, not going per capita, the US isn't first.
Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:16 pm
lily lily:
$1:
If you are going to start flame wars, at least be correct in your statistics.
You too, Johnny.
The post you're referring to wasn't Freaker's... it was PJB's.
Well damn, that's what I get for not paying complete attention. My bad Freaker. PJB, that post was intended for you. Thanks for point this out to me.
I will edit it
Streaker @ Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:22 pm
No worries, Johnny! 
For a second I was like "WTF?" but it was good for a laugh! 
BlackyBoy @ Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:56 am
America can be what ever it wants to be or thinks it is i guess. I just keep remembering the story about the neighbor with the messy yard telling his neighbors to clean up theirs. US can no longer portend to hold higher moral ground on anything anymore. The phraze." Know your role and shut your hole " comes to mind.
RoyalHighlander @ Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:30 am
Freaker Freaker:
...your bigotry is so obvious!
On the other hand, if you can prove that you really are a professor at the University of Toronto, I will apologise to you.
On the other hand, if you can prove that you really are a professor at the University of Toronto, I will apologise to you.
RAn a whois on his ip addy and its in Newfoundland, not Toronto for starters... Also Ihad done a checkon the name he's using and got about the same results too... Rahowa you are on thin ice right now...
Welsh @ Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:20 am
You constantly hear this about Canadian military is pound-for-pound a better military than the US (only on Canadian forums, that is) and now this british guy is joining in.
What is this based on? Your own defense dept's evaluation of itself? I am interested to know.
Concerning the UK specifically, what about the performance during the Falklands War? That is a recent undertaking of the brits all by themselves. Something like six warships were sunk (ten heavily damaged) and 36 aircraft shot down by the Argentinians!! Britain was never able to achieve total air superiority against them.
Is that a good record? In Gulf Wars 1 and II, I don't think the US lost a single ship or more than a couple of planes shot down (googling now) and that was against a whole lot larger military enemy.
Also, on this firearms thing...you often hear that Canada has a higher per capita firearm ownership than the US, but I have wondered is this mainly long guns? Because handguns are used for most crimes and if your handgun ownership is low vs. the US that would have to be taken into account.
Also, according to the United Nations crime victims survey, the violent crime rate is higher in Canada than in the US (I have posted before on this).
THere was a recent mention in some post about an Edmonton Sun article on higher crime rates in Canada vs. US, does anyone have al ink to that article?
Also, when denigrating the US about its gun problem, remember gun ownership is constitutionally protected and so it is not easy to pass laws restricting ownership as in other countries with no similar hurdles to overcome.
How easy is it to change sections of Canada's constitution, for instance?
figfarmer @ Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:36 am
There's nothing wrong with owning guns. I do believe that the people of Switzerland, which is one of the most crime free and respected countries in the world, are mostly required to own guns and be ready to use them for the defence of their country. Canada should be so clever.
Arctic_Menace @ Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:48 pm
• Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the Earth. Seventeen percent believe the Earth revolves around the sun once a day (The Week, Jan. 7, 2005).
• The United States is 41st in the world in infant mortality. Cuba scores higher (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).
*FAINT*
Welsh @ Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:41 pm
Arctic_Menace wrote:
$1:
The United States is 41st in the world in infant mortality. Cuba scores higher (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).
Arctic_Menace, what a jerk-off Canadian.
This infant mortality rate comparison between the US and Cuba has been discredited many times, but I can understand why you would want to post it – because anything bad you can report about the US gives you a warm feeling in your pants.
Here are some reasons I have gathered from sources such as Slate.com and Wall Street Journal on this exact issue:
1. "The United States . . . has the most intensive system of emergency intervention to keep low birth weight and premature infants alive in the world. The United States is, for example, one of only a handful countries that keeps detailed statistics on early fetal mortality--the survival rate of infants who are born as early as the 20th week of gestation.
How does this skew the statistics? Because in the United States if an infant is born weighing only 400 grams [14 ounces] and not breathing, a doctor will likely spend lot of time and money trying to revive that infant. If the infant does not survive--and the mortality rate for such infants is in excess of 50 percent--that sequence of events will be recorded as a live birth and then a death.
In many countries, however, (including many European countries) such severe medical intervention would not be attempted and, moreover, regardless of whether or not it was, this would be recorded as a fetal death rather than a live birth. That unfortunate infant would never show up in infant mortality statistics."
2. "In 1998 Switzerland's infant mortality of 4.8 per 1,000 births was only two-thirds of the rate found in the United States (7.2 per 1,000).107 However, Switzerland does not treat the death of an infant born less than 30 centimeters in length as a live birth. This threshold effectively excludes many very low birth weight babies such as those weighing less than one kilogram (2.2 pounds). Yet, close to one-third of all infant deaths recorded in the United States are among infants weighing 2.2 pounds or less. If these very low birth weight infants (most of which measure less then 30 centimeters) were reclassified in the United States vital statistics as "stillborn" rather than "live births," the respective rates of the two countries would be similar."
Hey Arctic_Menace, why don't you report on the 100,000 Iraqi civilians killed by the US since the Iraq War started. Most US-bashers love to throw that discredited number around too.
I know, why not open a "Canadians burned down the White House" thread. This is another one of many lies that Canadians use to comfort themselves with.
$1:
Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the Earth. Seventeen percent believe the Earth revolves around the sun once a day
I would love to see a "Talking with Canadians" show and see how many stupid things about the US we could get Canadians to say. Judging by the posts here, it wouldn't take long to have enough material for a two-hour special.
CDN_Raptor @ Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:49 pm
ya u could have a 2 hour show but we could probably have a 2 week report on americans stupidity... u wnna know why cuase u guys have more dumbasses in your country... like u guys said we only have the population that florida does... so it stands to reason u guys have more dumbasses
BlackyBoy @ Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:23 pm
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Fact: By definition .... those patriots that fought back US agression during war of 1812 were not "Canadians" at that point in time. Canada was officially formed in 1867.the "Coalition Of Thee Willing" so to speak was Brits,French,
Upper Canada settlers and native Indians.
Fact: The " Americans " who fought the Revolution were just in fact disgruntled
colonists who were fighting Brit dominance . So therefore.. the "Americans" at that time were no more " American " then so called "Canadians " who fought in the War of 1812. Canadians have fought for their independance too..Once militarily with USA and a slow 100 year diplomatic fight with Brits.
Arctic_Menace @ Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:27 pm
Welsh Welsh:
Arctic_Menace wrote:
Arctic_Menace, what a jerk-off Canadian.
This infant mortality rate comparison between the US and Cuba has been discredited many times, but I can understand why you would want to post it – because anything bad you can report about the US gives you a warm feeling in your pants.
Here are some reasons I have gathered from sources such as Slate.com and Wall Street Journal on this exact issue:
1. "The United States . . . has the most intensive system of emergency intervention to keep low birth weight and premature infants alive in the world. The United States is, for example, one of only a handful countries that keeps detailed statistics on early fetal mortality--the survival rate of infants who are born as early as the 20th week of gestation.
How does this skew the statistics? Because in the United States if an infant is born weighing only 400 grams [14 ounces] and not breathing, a doctor will likely spend lot of time and money trying to revive that infant. If the infant does not survive--and the mortality rate for such infants is in excess of 50 percent--that sequence of events will be recorded as a live birth and then a death.
In many countries, however, (including many European countries) such severe medical intervention would not be attempted and, moreover, regardless of whether or not it was, this would be recorded as a fetal death rather than a live birth. That unfortunate infant would never show up in infant mortality statistics."
2. "In 1998 Switzerland's infant mortality of 4.8 per 1,000 births was only two-thirds of the rate found in the United States (7.2 per 1,000).107 However, Switzerland does not treat the death of an infant born less than 30 centimeters in length as a live birth. This threshold effectively excludes many very low birth weight babies such as those weighing less than one kilogram (2.2 pounds). Yet, close to one-third of all infant deaths recorded in the United States are among infants weighing 2.2 pounds or less. If these very low birth weight infants (most of which measure less then 30 centimeters) were reclassified in the United States vital statistics as "stillborn" rather than "live births," the respective rates of the two countries would be similar."
Hey Arctic_Menace, why don't you report on the 100,000 Iraqi civilians killed by the US since the Iraq War started. Most US-bashers love to throw that discredited number around too.
I know, why not open a "Canadians burned down the White House" thread. This is another one of many lies that Canadians use to comfort themselves with.
I would love to see a "Talking with Canadians" show and see how many stupid things about the US we could get Canadians to say. Judging by the posts here, it wouldn't take long to have enough material for a two-hour special.
$1:
The United States is 41st in the world in infant mortality. Cuba scores higher (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).
Arctic_Menace, what a jerk-off Canadian.
This infant mortality rate comparison between the US and Cuba has been discredited many times, but I can understand why you would want to post it – because anything bad you can report about the US gives you a warm feeling in your pants.
Here are some reasons I have gathered from sources such as Slate.com and Wall Street Journal on this exact issue:
1. "The United States . . . has the most intensive system of emergency intervention to keep low birth weight and premature infants alive in the world. The United States is, for example, one of only a handful countries that keeps detailed statistics on early fetal mortality--the survival rate of infants who are born as early as the 20th week of gestation.
How does this skew the statistics? Because in the United States if an infant is born weighing only 400 grams [14 ounces] and not breathing, a doctor will likely spend lot of time and money trying to revive that infant. If the infant does not survive--and the mortality rate for such infants is in excess of 50 percent--that sequence of events will be recorded as a live birth and then a death.
In many countries, however, (including many European countries) such severe medical intervention would not be attempted and, moreover, regardless of whether or not it was, this would be recorded as a fetal death rather than a live birth. That unfortunate infant would never show up in infant mortality statistics."
2. "In 1998 Switzerland's infant mortality of 4.8 per 1,000 births was only two-thirds of the rate found in the United States (7.2 per 1,000).107 However, Switzerland does not treat the death of an infant born less than 30 centimeters in length as a live birth. This threshold effectively excludes many very low birth weight babies such as those weighing less than one kilogram (2.2 pounds). Yet, close to one-third of all infant deaths recorded in the United States are among infants weighing 2.2 pounds or less. If these very low birth weight infants (most of which measure less then 30 centimeters) were reclassified in the United States vital statistics as "stillborn" rather than "live births," the respective rates of the two countries would be similar."
Hey Arctic_Menace, why don't you report on the 100,000 Iraqi civilians killed by the US since the Iraq War started. Most US-bashers love to throw that discredited number around too.
I know, why not open a "Canadians burned down the White House" thread. This is another one of many lies that Canadians use to comfort themselves with.
$1:
Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the Earth. Seventeen percent believe the Earth revolves around the sun once a day
I would love to see a "Talking with Canadians" show and see how many stupid things about the US we could get Canadians to say. Judging by the posts here, it wouldn't take long to have enough material for a two-hour special.
Wow, someone has serious issues to deal with
.....................
(P.S. I fainted because I found it to be totally stupid and unbelievable that America could be so low. I fainted from incomprehension
.)