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gideon @ Tue May 17, 2005 9:25 am

IceOwl IceOwl:
I don't know, because I don't trust those interpretations


That's funny, because the guys who fly planes into skyscrapers sure do. And I'm willing to bet they are much more fluent in arabic than you.

If those passages had translated as "treat others with respect regardless of their religion," muslims would have spent the last 30 years doing something other than blowing up buses and planes. Heck, maybe they would have even embraced the (vastly superior) western culture, and their countries wouldn't be third world shitholes that nobody wants to live in.

Think about that one for a little bit.

   



xerxes @ Tue May 17, 2005 9:38 am

Yet again you go on making sweeping generalizations about Islam and Muslims based upon the actions of a small group of nuts. Which leads me to ask whether you can actually think for yourself?

Christianity has the same debate. The debate over whether the Bible should be taken literally or not. If we were to do the former, we would run out of stones to throw at adulterers and homosexuals (and judging from your tagline you'd be first in line for that). We would also all be very poor as Jesus instructs us to give all our money to the poor.

Furthermore, you are yet again equating terrorism with Islam. Terrorism is a symptom of repression and sometimes poverty. In short, terrorism is a tactic used by people who do not have the resources to create their own army.

   



hwacker @ Tue May 17, 2005 9:50 am

#1 In 1968 who assassinated Robert Kennedy?
(a) Abbie Hoffman
(b) Tiny Tim
(c) Charles Manson
(d) Muslim male extremist between the age of 17 and 40

#2 In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:
(a) Olga Korbett
(b) Sitting Bull
(c) Arnold Schwarzenegger
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#3 In 1979,the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:
(a) Lost Norwegians
(b) Elvis
(c) A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#4 During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
(a) John Dillinger
(b) The King of Sweden
(c) The Boy Scouts
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


#5 In 1981, Pope John Paul II was shot 4 times in an assasination attempt by:

(a) Christopher Columbus

(b) Gene Simmons of "KISS"

(c) Vlad the Impaler,

(d) Muslim male extremists between the age of 17 and 40. (Name: Mehmet Ali Hagca)


#5 In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
(a) A Domino's pizza delivery boy
(b) Pee Wee Herman
(c) Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.



#6 In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked, and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard by:
(a) The Smurfs
(b) Davy Jones
(c) The Little Mermaid
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

#7 In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver was murdered by:
(a) Captain Kidd
(b) Charles Lindbergh
(c) Mother Teresa
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#8 In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
(a) Scooby Doo
(b) The Tooth Fairy
(c) Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid with dynamite left over from the train job.
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 ** Update - Libya Accepted Responsibility. Libya is a Muslim country. **

#9 In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
(a) Richard Simmons
(b) Grandma Moses
(c) Michael Jordan
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



#10 In 1996 19 Americans were killed and hundreds more woulded at

the U.S. Military complex at Khobar Towers, Saudi Arabia because of attacks by:

(a) The Verizon Guy (Can you hear me now?)

(b) Domino's Pizza "noid"

(c)Clinton Administration Secretary of State Madeline Albright

(d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#11 In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
(a) Mr. Rogers
(b) Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
(c) The World Wrestling Federation to promote its next villain: "Mustapha the Merciless"
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#12 In 2000, The USS Cole was attacked and more than 15 American Sailors were killed by:
(a) David Letterman
(b) Shaquille O'Neil
(c) The Cookie Monster
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#13 On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed and thousands of people were killed by:
(a) Bugs Bunny, Wile Coyote, Daffy Duck, and Elmer Fudd
(b) The Supreme Court of Florida
(c) Mr. Bean
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#14 In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
(a) Enron
(b) The Lutheran Church
(c) The NFL
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#15 In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
(a) Bonny and Clyde
(b) Captain Kangaroo
(c) Billy Graham
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#16 In 2001 Phillipene Missionaries Gracia and Martin Burnham were kidnapped, held for over a year, and Martin subsequently killed by:
(a) Mr. Rogers
(b) Scooby Doo & Shaggy
(c) Ronald Reagan
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#17 On July 4th 2002, 2 Innocent Airline Passengers Were Killed, And 3 Others Injured at the ticket counter of El Al Airlines in the LAX International terminal by:
(a) Hulk Hogan after losing the WWF Title
(b) The cast of Monty Python
(c) Senator Lil' Tommy Daschle
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 41

#18 On July 31st 2002 5 Americans were killed by a Palestinian HAMAS bomber in Jerusalem while attending school by:
(a) The US Congress
(b) The Tooth Fairy
(c) The Easter Bunny
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#19 On October 12th 2002 more than 200 innocent civilians (including 200 Australians and 5 Americans) were brutally murdered by:

(a) Kermit the Frog & Miss Piggy

(b) Bert & Ernie from Sesame Street

(c) Charles Barkley

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 41


#20 On October 29th 2002 more than 700 Moscow theatre goers were taken hostage and threatened with execution by:

(a) Royal Canadian Mounted Police

(b) Laurie Dhue of Fox News Channel

(c) Phil Donahue, of MSNBC, pissed because Fox News is kicking his ass

(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 41



#21 This Quiz, Humorous While Still Being Factual In Nature Offends Mostly:

(a) Democrats, Who Seek To Impose A Politically Correct Mentality That Will Get Us All Killed

(b) Terrorist Sympathizers

(c) Terrorists Osama Bin Laden, Musab Al-Zarqawi & Their Evil Minions

(d) All Of The Above


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Show me a list like that with Christians in the last 100 years ?

and i'm talking terrorism

   



DrCaleb @ Tue May 17, 2005 10:12 am

gideon gideon:
If those passages had translated as "treat others with respect regardless of their religion," muslims would have spent the last 30 years doing something other than blowing up buses and planes.


Since you're so fond of the Qu'ran, here's a couple passages from it for you:

"...If anyone killed a person not in retaliation for murder or to spread mischief in the land, it would be as if he killed the whole of mankind. And (likewise) if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole of mankind"
(Surah Al-Maaida 5:32).

" when it is said to them; 'Make not mischief on the Earth', they say; 'We are only peace makers'. Indeed they are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive it not"
(Surah Al-Baqarah 2:11-12)

"Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion, nor drove you out of your homes. Indeed, Allah loves those who deal with equity"
(Surah Al-Mumtahinah 60:8).

"And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you. But do not transgress the limits. Truly Allah loves not the transgressors"
(Surah Al-Baqarah 2:190).

"Radical" Islamists twist the passages you quote, in the same way groups like the KKK forget about the commandment "Thou shalt not kill one another".

The proper translation of the word 'Jihad' isn't "holy war', it's 'great effort'. That's also one of the perpetuated myths.

   



xerxes @ Tue May 17, 2005 10:16 am

Good rebuttal Caleb, but it's a wasted effort. These ignorant idiots can think for themselves and can only echo what has been told to them by their equally idiotic cohorts. There is no room for logic and reason in their minds.

   



hwacker @ Tue May 17, 2005 10:19 am

xerxes xerxes:
Good rebuttal Caleb, but it's a wasted effort. These ignorant idiots can think for themselves and can only echo what has been told to them by their equally idiotic cohorts. There is no room for logic and reason in their minds.


yeah good comeback

answer my question will you.

   



DrCaleb @ Tue May 17, 2005 10:22 am

hwacker hwacker:
Show me a list like that with Christians in the last 100 years ?

and i'm talking terrorism


Have there been any Christian Extremeists in the last 100 years?

When a Christian does something terrible, everyone in the West knows it is the actions of a mad man because they have some knowledge of the core beliefs and ethics of Christianity. You know, like shoot President Regan.

When a Muslim does something evil or foolish they assume it is from the religion of Islam, because they have never been told by a Muslim what the teachings of Islam are all about.

   



xerxes @ Tue May 17, 2005 10:23 am

There's no point becuase you have already made up your mind. Anything I could possibly say would go in one of your ears and immediately out the other.

   



DrCaleb @ Tue May 17, 2005 10:26 am

xerxes xerxes:
Good rebuttal Caleb, but it's a wasted effort. These ignorant idiots can think for themselves and can only echo what has been told to them by their equally idiotic cohorts.


Yea, I know. But it's like seperatists. You just can't see the logical flaws in their arguments, and say nothing. It would be like admitting their correct.

hwacker - go back to free republic, from whence you came.

   



hwacker @ Tue May 17, 2005 10:27 am

xerxes xerxes:
There's no point becuase you have already made up your mind. Anything I could possibly say would go in one of your ears and immediately out the other.


Humor me

   



DrCaleb @ Tue May 17, 2005 10:50 am

hwacker hwacker:
Humor me


You're funny enough as is, but, OK.

#1 In 1989 who assassinated 14 women in a Montreal technical school?
(a) Abbie Hoffman
(b) Tiny Tim
(c) Sgt. Preston
(d) A christian male extremist between the age of 17 and 40

#2 In 1984 in the Quebec Provincial Legislature, who killed 3 MP's using an automatic rifle:
(a) Olga Korbett
(b) Sitting Bull
(c) Lloyd Mansbridge
(d) A christian male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40

#3 In the 1960's, which group bombed, shot and killed people and robbed banks provoking the only time a Prime Minister envoked the War Measures act in peace time:
(a) Lost Norwegians
(b) Elvis
(c) A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
(d) Christian male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#4 From the 1930's to the 1990's, which group from the UK were responsible for more car bombings of civillians in England than any other:
(a) John Dillinger
(b) The King of Ireland
(c) The Boy Scouts
(d) The IRA, christian male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

#5 This Quiz, Humorous While Still Being Factual In Nature Offends Mostly:

(a) Neocons, Who Seek To Impose A Politically Correct Mentality That Will Get Us All Killed
(b) Neocons, because it erodes their use of fear to control the population since the Russians are now allies
(c) hwacker
(d) All Of The Above

See my point?

   



Constantinople @ Tue May 17, 2005 10:56 am

Kilshok Kilshok:
TheUSofA1776 TheUSofA1776:
gideon gideon:
Now, what would a reasonable person conclude upon reading those passages? Would he conclude that Islam is a "religion of peace" that somehow got twisted into an evil, violent ideology? Or would he conclude that from the beginning, Islam encouraged warmongering, conquest, forced conversion, and abuse of nonbelievers?


I think the actions from 622-732 solve that question. Yes, yes, friends- 110 years of violence and war marked the begining of Islam as they spread out across the Middle East and North Africa only to be thwarted at Constantinople twice and in 732 at Tours by Charles Martel. Amazing that it did not take centuries for followers of Islam to use it for war purposes, but rather from the get go the Koran showed them that Allah wanted them to go out and spread Islam- violently if necessary. Well, it was pretty much all violence after that as they clashed with non-believers.

Yeah, great religion..... :roll:



How about the Roman Inquisition? How about the Spanish Inquisition? How about Christian crusaders massacreing innocent Jews and Moslems with their own holy wars? How about the Witch Hunts? How about the Religious wars in Europe... I could go on. Yeah, great Religion. :roll:


How about Jesus Christ didn't war with other factions and Muhammed did? How about like I said, from the get go, Islam was warring and thirsting for blood whereas Christianity was a religion of peace. Like I said, any religion can get skewed to make war; Islam's was from the very start- and amazingly (or not) stilll is! How sad and pathetic and may every fanatical Muslim be forever with their lover, Satan.

   



Scape @ Tue May 17, 2005 10:58 am

hwacker hwacker:
Let me point out something to you. THE F'N KORAN WILL NOT FLUSH DOWN ANY TOILET.


Sheep? ROTFL ROTFL This coming from the poster who has no idea that the Koran, a book made of pages that can tear especially if it is being desecrated, could easily fit down a toilet or your throat as it is blatantly clear you swallow everything fed to you hook, line, and sinker.

   



xerxes @ Tue May 17, 2005 10:59 am

And how many wars have been fought in Christ's name? Both Islam and Christianity have blood on their hands. And they still do.

   



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