So the world hates America?
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The Lumberjack @ Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:21 pm
Am I going against the grain here? Oh well, just for the record - I love America & think that the USA has very big balls. 
DerbyX @ Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:10 pm
Constantinople Constantinople:
nomad37 nomad37:
Constantinople Constantinople:
The point of the quote is that people don't hate Americans.
I don't think it shows any such thing, though hate is an overloaded, overemotional word. There are certainly countries whose citizens believe the US is generally not a force for good, who nevertheless offered aid. In the US Government commisioned 2004 Pew research poll (Pew global attitudes project), the following countries gave the US a favourability rating of less than 50%, yet they offered us post-Katrina aid: Spain, Germany, France, UAE, Venezuela, Indonesia, Russia, and South Korea. There are probably more, but this is all I could verify.
You are very wrong to think that the fact that they sent humanitarian aid, or were willing to, means they don't still dislike the US, it's foreign policy, cultural imperialism, and all the other stuff that's hashed over on this site on a daily basis.
Let me see if I can put it it terms you might understand. I believe a religious book you know says something like: “if your enemy is hungry, feed him, if he is thirsty, give him something to drink". Seems to me that acknowledges it is a perfectly reasonable to consider someone an ENEMY, and yet to help them when their minimum physical needs aren't being met. Disagreements can been taken up again another day.
The world loves the U.S.
And the problem continues. You don't even see it eh? Your posts are all just black & white fucking shite. You are the people who were the nazi's. You are the people who were the samurai of emperor horohito. You blindly accept what your leaders say as gospel. You are convinced that your god is on your side and you can do no wrong. So did the nazi's. Its all the same. You say nothing except: My god is great. My god is the one and only truth. My country can do no wrong. Everything we do is right. If we kill babies its to serve a greater good. To oppose us is to oppose god and goodness itself. You see only rightousness so you are blinded to any evil you do. People like you led the crusades. People like you led the inquistion. You are the very extremists you are fighting, the only difference is that you have a huge army inflicting its will upon its victims. You don't have to resort to the tactics that they do. It must make you proud that you are by extension no different then the 9/11 extremists.
The real scary thing is peoiple like you hold power in the states because there are not enough intelligent voters. All empires think they are right and no-one else is. All empires have fallen in time. None saw it coming.
Constantinople @ Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:38 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
Constantinople Constantinople:
nomad37 nomad37:
Constantinople Constantinople:
The point of the quote is that people don't hate Americans.
I don't think it shows any such thing, though hate is an overloaded, overemotional word. There are certainly countries whose citizens believe the US is generally not a force for good, who nevertheless offered aid. In the US Government commisioned 2004 Pew research poll (Pew global attitudes project), the following countries gave the US a favourability rating of less than 50%, yet they offered us post-Katrina aid: Spain, Germany, France, UAE, Venezuela, Indonesia, Russia, and South Korea. There are probably more, but this is all I could verify.
You are very wrong to think that the fact that they sent humanitarian aid, or were willing to, means they don't still dislike the US, it's foreign policy, cultural imperialism, and all the other stuff that's hashed over on this site on a daily basis.
Let me see if I can put it it terms you might understand. I believe a religious book you know says something like: “if your enemy is hungry, feed him, if he is thirsty, give him something to drink". Seems to me that acknowledges it is a perfectly reasonable to consider someone an ENEMY, and yet to help them when their minimum physical needs aren't being met. Disagreements can been taken up again another day.
The world loves the U.S.
And the problem continues. You don't even see it eh? Your posts are all just black & white fucking shite. You are the people who were the nazi's. You are the people who were the samurai of emperor horohito. You blindly accept what your leaders say as gospel. You are convinced that your god is on your side and you can do no wrong. So did the nazi's. Its all the same. You say nothing except: My god is great. My god is the one and only truth. My country can do no wrong. Everything we do is right. If we kill babies its to serve a greater good. To oppose us is to oppose god and goodness itself. You see only rightousness so you are blinded to any evil you do. People like you led the crusades. People like you led the inquistion. You are the very extremists you are fighting, the only difference is that you have a huge army inflicting its will upon its victims. You don't have to resort to the tactics that they do. It must make you proud that you are by extension no different then the 9/11 extremists.
The real scary thing is peoiple like you hold power in the states because there are not enough intelligent voters. All empires think they are right and no-one else is. All empires have fallen in time. None saw it coming.
Might makes right.
As for no empires ever seeing their end coming, some actually did. Everything's not black and white ya know.
The Hoser @ Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:42 pm
Constantinople Constantinople:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Constantinople Constantinople:
nomad37 nomad37:
Constantinople Constantinople:
The point of the quote is that people don't hate Americans.
I don't think it shows any such thing, though hate is an overloaded, overemotional word. There are certainly countries whose citizens believe the US is generally not a force for good, who nevertheless offered aid. In the US Government commisioned 2004 Pew research poll (Pew global attitudes project), the following countries gave the US a favourability rating of less than 50%, yet they offered us post-Katrina aid: Spain, Germany, France, UAE, Venezuela, Indonesia, Russia, and South Korea. There are probably more, but this is all I could verify.
You are very wrong to think that the fact that they sent humanitarian aid, or were willing to, means they don't still dislike the US, it's foreign policy, cultural imperialism, and all the other stuff that's hashed over on this site on a daily basis.
Let me see if I can put it it terms you might understand. I believe a religious book you know says something like: “if your enemy is hungry, feed him, if he is thirsty, give him something to drink". Seems to me that acknowledges it is a perfectly reasonable to consider someone an ENEMY, and yet to help them when their minimum physical needs aren't being met. Disagreements can been taken up again another day.
The world loves the U.S.
And the problem continues. You don't even see it eh? Your posts are all just black & white fucking shite. You are the people who were the nazi's. You are the people who were the samurai of emperor horohito. You blindly accept what your leaders say as gospel. You are convinced that your god is on your side and you can do no wrong. So did the nazi's. Its all the same. You say nothing except: My god is great. My god is the one and only truth. My country can do no wrong. Everything we do is right. If we kill babies its to serve a greater good. To oppose us is to oppose god and goodness itself. You see only rightousness so you are blinded to any evil you do. People like you led the crusades. People like you led the inquistion. You are the very extremists you are fighting, the only difference is that you have a huge army inflicting its will upon its victims. You don't have to resort to the tactics that they do. It must make you proud that you are by extension no different then the 9/11 extremists.
The real scary thing is peoiple like you hold power in the states because there are not enough intelligent voters. All empires think they are right and no-one else is. All empires have fallen in time. None saw it coming.
Might makes right.
Seriously, come up with somthing new. Your like a series of cath-phrases with a few little variations thrown in here and there.
Constantinople @ Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:43 pm
The Hoser The Hoser:
Seriously, come up with somthing new. Your like a series of cath-phrases with a few little variations thrown in here and there.
Look who's talking, Mr. Cliche himself.
The Hoser @ Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:45 pm
Constantinople Constantinople:
The Hoser The Hoser:
Seriously, come up with somthing new. Your like a series of cath-phrases with a few little variations thrown in here and there.
Look who's talking, Mr. Cliche himself.
Constantinople @ Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:45 pm
The Hoser The Hoser:
Constantinople Constantinople:
The Hoser The Hoser:
Seriously, come up with somthing new. Your like a series of cath-phrases with a few little variations thrown in here and there.
Look who's talking, Mr. Cliche himself.
You only wish it wasn't true.
The Hoser @ Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:48 pm
Constantinople Constantinople:
The Hoser The Hoser:
Constantinople Constantinople:
The Hoser The Hoser:
Seriously, come up with somthing new. Your like a series of cath-phrases with a few little variations thrown in here and there.
Look who's talking, Mr. Cliche himself.
You only wish it wasn't true.
Well, in the words of Geddy Lee...
TAKE OFF.
DerbyX @ Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:52 pm
$1:
Might makes right.
As for no empires ever seeing their end coming, some actually did. Everything's not black and white ya know. Wink
As for no empires ever seeing their end coming, some actually did. Everything's not black and white ya know. Wink
Brilliant. I can beat up little old ladies and children. That makes me lord over them eh? The nazis were right until a bunch of other countries decided to beat them up. By your logic if we go out and get the rest of the world to force its might on the USA then we would be right automatically eh?
X infinity plus 1
Constantinople @ Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:54 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
$1:
Might makes right.
As for no empires ever seeing their end coming, some actually did. Everything's not black and white ya know. Wink
As for no empires ever seeing their end coming, some actually did. Everything's not black and white ya know. Wink
Brilliant. I can beat up little old ladies and children. That makes me lord over them eh? The nazis were right until a bunch of other countries decided to beat them up. By your logic if we go out and get the rest of the world to force its might on the USA then we would be right automatically eh?
X infinity plus 1If the alliance won, you'd be right. But they wouldn't- due to the oodles of thermonukes.
The Hoser @ Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:55 pm
Constantinople Constantinople:
DerbyX DerbyX:
$1:
Might makes right.
As for no empires ever seeing their end coming, some actually did. Everything's not black and white ya know. Wink
As for no empires ever seeing their end coming, some actually did. Everything's not black and white ya know. Wink
Brilliant. I can beat up little old ladies and children. That makes me lord over them eh? The nazis were right until a bunch of other countries decided to beat them up. By your logic if we go out and get the rest of the world to force its might on the USA then we would be right automatically eh?
X infinity plus 1If the alliance won, you'd be right. But they wouldn't- due to the oodles of thermonukes.
The US isn't the only country with nukes. There are quite a few countires with enough nuclear power to end the world a few times over.
Bouboumaster @ Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:56 pm
Il y a une difference entre "hate" les USA, et les trouver morons. Nous, c'est plutot le 2e.... Ici, nous pensons que votre gouvernement sont remplis de cretins, de terroristes economiques, etc.
En passant, Dieu n'existe pas. L'homme created Dieu, et pas l'inverse. Antropologie 101.
Tman1 @ Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:58 pm
Bouboumaster Bouboumaster:
Il y a une différence entre détester les USA, et les trouver morons. Nous, c'est plutôt le 2e.... Ici, on pense que votre gouvernement sont remplis de crétins, de terroristes économiques, etc.
En passant, Dieu n'existe pas. L'homme a créer Dieu, et pas l'inverse. Antropologie 101.
En passant, Dieu n'existe pas. L'homme a créer Dieu, et pas l'inverse. Antropologie 101.
The only thing I can translate that gibberish into is Americans are morons, God does not exist, and Anthropology........
DerbyX @ Fri Sep 09, 2005 9:02 pm
Constantinople Constantinople:
DerbyX DerbyX:
$1:
Might makes right.
As for no empires ever seeing their end coming, some actually did. Everything's not black and white ya know. Wink
As for no empires ever seeing their end coming, some actually did. Everything's not black and white ya know. Wink
Brilliant. I can beat up little old ladies and children. That makes me lord over them eh? The nazis were right until a bunch of other countries decided to beat them up. By your logic if we go out and get the rest of the world to force its might on the USA then we would be right automatically eh?
X infinity plus 1If the alliance won, you'd be right. But they wouldn't- due to the oodles of thermonukes.
Re-read your sentence and examine the logic. By your logic every rapist is right because their might allowed them to do what they want eh? Why do we prosecute murderers? They were the stronger person. Their might made the murder right!
X infinity + 2
The Hoser @ Fri Sep 09, 2005 9:05 pm
Derby, your frogetting. Logic is a foriegn concept to him - trying to shove it down his throat will get you nowhere. Best to humour him and laugh when he thinks he's won/
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