A lovely Piece of American History
Arctic_Menace @ Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:21 pm
$1:
You find that most posters here tend to be cheer-leaders of any government policy that is aggressive and militaristic. They also tend to support the, "strong man," type of leader---the guy who lays down the law.
My own suspicion is that many of those posters come from military backgrounds.
The thing is, their views likely do not represent the views of most Canadians. Most Canadians tend to be far more thoughtful and non-partisan in their approach to government.
But, like I said before, we don't have a voice. And that's the problem.
Glenn Fitzgerald.
My own suspicion is that many of those posters come from military backgrounds.
The thing is, their views likely do not represent the views of most Canadians. Most Canadians tend to be far more thoughtful and non-partisan in their approach to government.
But, like I said before, we don't have a voice. And that's the problem.
Glenn Fitzgerald.
What a crock of shit! You don't speak for most Canadians. People here are from many different backgrounds froma cross the country. If youa ctually took the time to ask instead of assume, you'd more than likely find that at least 2/3 of the people here do not come from military backgrounds.
We are not cheerleaders fro aggressive and militaristic government policy. We are cheerleaders for a government that actually decides to do something about the shit int he world instead of sitting on its ass all day like they do in the UN.
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Most Canadians tend to be far more thoughtful and non-partisan in their approach to government.
Bullshit. Take a long, hard look into this and you'll see that I'm right, and you're smarmy ass isn't.
glennfitzgerald @ Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:23 pm
$1:
Bush + Nazis = True:
So keep in mind that when you hear the military types who push the "strong man" type of government spout off on this forum about Canada's glorious military involvement in Afghanistan or their glorious great leader, Stephen Harper, you aren't hearing opinions which may be truer to what real Canadians think.
Many, if not the majority of Canadians, do hold opinions very much at variance with the above, but have resigned themselves to their effective disenfranchisement from the so-called democracy which has been alleged to exist here.
Glenn Fitzgerald.
OPP @ Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:25 pm
glennfitzgerald glennfitzgerald:
glennfitzgerald glennfitzgerald:
OPP writes:
Oh yea, and I forgot to mention that the military types seem to make all kinds of stupid assumptions about your politics if you don't like our so-called "conservative" Prime Minister.
If you don't like the strong man approach to running things in this country, you must they all assume, be a "socialist."
The tendency to throw political labels at people who disagree with them comes from their insecurity and inability to structure argument.
The real truth, though, is that an increasing number of pundits dislike Harper because they suspect he's not a true conservative. Rather, his sympathies seem to lie in the direction of the international "nanny" state that exists to foist "democracy building" cultural engineering projects on other nations.
Many of his sympathies are, in other words, not conservative but sort of meld with America's anti-conservative neo-Liberal or "neo-conservative" movement of "big" and statist foreign intervention.
Many true Canadian conservaties despise Bush and hate Harper.
Glenn Fitzgerald.
$1:
I think you would be surprised how well informed some parts of Europe are of the political climate in america.
Oh yea, and I forgot to mention that the military types seem to make all kinds of stupid assumptions about your politics if you don't like our so-called "conservative" Prime Minister.
If you don't like the strong man approach to running things in this country, you must they all assume, be a "socialist."
The tendency to throw political labels at people who disagree with them comes from their insecurity and inability to structure argument.
The real truth, though, is that an increasing number of pundits dislike Harper because they suspect he's not a true conservative. Rather, his sympathies seem to lie in the direction of the international "nanny" state that exists to foist "democracy building" cultural engineering projects on other nations.
Many of his sympathies are, in other words, not conservative but sort of meld with America's anti-conservative neo-Liberal or "neo-conservative" movement of "big" and statist foreign intervention.
Many true Canadian conservaties despise Bush and hate Harper.
Glenn Fitzgerald.
Well.. they do have a point. I am a Socialist.
But sadly, Sweden too, who was once a sanctuary for socialistic ideals, is now sinking in the same neo-liberal cesspool you so eloquently described.
I'm thinking.. revolution?
Arctic_Menace @ Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:25 pm
$1:
Many true Canadian conservaties despise Bush and hate Harper.
Okay, first...
What is a true Canadian? We'll never know, because our own biases will make an individual opinion, as you've clearly shown.
Despise Bush? Yes.
Despise Harper? Not so much...
Not only do you have a gigantic stick up your ass, but you somehow managed to wedge your head in there too...
$1:
If you don't like the strong man approach to running things in this country, you must they all assume, be a "socialist."
We don't use that word here. Instead, what most people will do, is call you a pussy-ass, bleeding heart Liberal. Get with the program.
glennfitzgerald @ Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:29 pm
$1:
Bullshit. Take a long, hard look into this and you'll see that I'm right, and you're smarmy ass isn't.
You know you just sort of proved my point---if you really think about it. You can't handle the civil debate that a real democracy champions, so you resort to name-calling.
It's another way of expressing the sentiment, "my way or the highway."
That sort of mentality demonstrates the, "strong man," approach to running things---the strong man approach of Steven Harper.
Very un-Canadian
Way to go, feller.
Glenn Fitzgerald.
Arctic_Menace @ Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:30 pm
$1:
Well.. they do have a point. I am a Socialist.
But sadly, Sweden too, who was once a sanctuary for socialistic ideals, is now sinking in the same neo-liberal cesspool you so eloquently described.
But sadly, Sweden too, who was once a sanctuary for socialistic ideals, is now sinking in the same neo-liberal cesspool you so eloquently described.
Look buddy, with many of my views, I could be considered a socialist. Don't mistake some jackasses insult as representative of an entire agenda. To do so is to be incredible naive and gullible.
Neo-Liberal? There's a new one for Media Studies Class.
I was unaware that there was such a thing as neo-liberal. In any case, re-inventing liberalism would lead to and even further drift to the left. After all, Liberalism in the 1800's if compared to today, would be considered Harper's type of Conservative.
And please, stop with the bitching. Get out and actually do something about it.
Arctic_Menace @ Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:35 pm
$1:
You know you just sort of proved my point---if you really think about it. You can't handle the civil debate that a real democracy champions, so you resort to name-calling.
This, coming from the guy who refuses to hear anyone else's point of view, and dismisses it as lies? Riiiight.
You walk in here acting all high and mighty, as if we're the scum of the earth. It amy not be name calling, but the attitudes and evocation sure remind me of it.
$1:
It's another way of expressing the sentiment, "my way or the highway."
Calling the kettle black on this one, aren't ya? Either we agree with you, or we're not true Canadians or are not worth the time because we can't be reasoned with.
You are probably the most hypocritical little pissant I've ever met...
$1:
Very un-Canadian
Right. You know, I have the UberCanuck Medal for a reason...
Dipshit... $1:
Way to go, feller.
Here's a mirror, now take a good hard look at yourself...
glennfitzgerald @ Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:36 pm
Artic_Menace writes:
$1:
Not only do you have a gigantic stick up your ass, but you somehow managed to wedge your head in there too...
Do you really think your comment deserves an intelligent response from a rational being?
What do you want me to say? Oh, I get it. I'm supposed to reply:
"Na, Na....sticks and stones my break my bones, but names will never hurt me."
Your going to have to accept that many people in this country have become disillusioned from the political system here.
So, what are you going to do about it, hurl expletives at them?
Glenn Fitzgerald.
glennfitzgerald @ Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:42 pm
$1:
Well.. they do have a point. I am a Socialist.
But sadly, Sweden too, who was once a sanctuary for socialistic ideals, is now sinking in the same neo-liberal cesspool you so eloquently described.
I'm thinking.. revolution?
But sadly, Sweden too, who was once a sanctuary for socialistic ideals, is now sinking in the same neo-liberal cesspool you so eloquently described.
I'm thinking.. revolution?
I don't care about your political label. I'm only interested in your ideas with regards specific issues.
And about that "revolution" comment, I have a feeling that in Canada it will amount to a sort of quiet revolution---one in which we quietly and in a very polite manner clean house of the corrupt and venial political classes---Liberal and Conservative---who've brought this country endless scandals.
I'm thinking here of the Liberal "Adscam." And I'm also thinking of Harper's contemptous treatment of the press and the very important Federal Accountability Act (FAA) issue.
It's got to the point where a lot of folks at the polling booths actually toss a coin to determine where they will cast a ballot. The only reason they show up at all is to keep the wheel of the system turning in case we someday get a real democracy.
Glenn Fitzgerald.
OPP @ Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:44 pm
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
$1:
Well.. they do have a point. I am a Socialist.
But sadly, Sweden too, who was once a sanctuary for socialistic ideals, is now sinking in the same neo-liberal cesspool you so eloquently described.
But sadly, Sweden too, who was once a sanctuary for socialistic ideals, is now sinking in the same neo-liberal cesspool you so eloquently described.
Look buddy, with many of my views, I could be considered a socialist. Don't mistake some jackasses insult as representative of an entire agenda. To do so is to be incredible naive and gullible.
Neo-Liberal? There's a new one for Media Studies Class.
I was unaware that there was such a thing as neo-liberal. In any case, re-inventing liberalism would lead to and even further drift to the left. After all, Liberalism in the 1800's if compared to today, would be considered Harper's type of Conservative.And please, stop with the bitching. Get out and actually do something about it.
Actually, I am. I joined the "Left-party" earlier this year and I have marched alongside alot of conserned citizens in this country aswell as atending conserts for Neo-Liberal awareness. This socialist killer made me become politicaly active. Neo liberals wish for nothing but a weak government and a strong business climate.
And calm yourselfe Arctic. I've been a member of this forum for long enough to know your political views and that there are verry fiew here who resent the ruling parties altogether.
ziggy @ Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:50 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug:
glennfitzgerald glennfitzgerald:
OPP OPP:
I'm liking THIS guy allready!
You find that most posters here tend to be cheer-leaders of any government policy that is aggressive and militaristic. They also tend to support the, "strong man," type of leader---the guy who lays down the law.
My own suspicion is that many of those posters come from military backgrounds.
The thing is, their views likely do not represent the views of most Canadians. Most Canadians tend to be far more thoughtful and non-partisan in their approach to government.
But, like I said before, we don't have a voice. And that's the problem.
Glenn Fitzgerald.
You do not speak for most Canadians.
I'll second that,I sense an agenda here.
PluggyRug @ Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:54 pm
glennfitzgerald glennfitzgerald:
$1:
Well.. they do have a point. I am a Socialist.
But sadly, Sweden too, who was once a sanctuary for socialistic ideals, is now sinking in the same neo-liberal cesspool you so eloquently described.
I'm thinking.. revolution?
But sadly, Sweden too, who was once a sanctuary for socialistic ideals, is now sinking in the same neo-liberal cesspool you so eloquently described.
I'm thinking.. revolution?
I don't care about your political label. I'm only interested in your ideas with regards specific issues.
And about that "revolution" comment, I have a feeling that in Canada it will amount to a sort of quiet revolution---one in which we quietly and in a very polite manner clean house of the corrupt and venial political classes---Liberal and Conservative---who've brought this country endless scandals.
I'm thinking here of the Liberal "Adscam." And I'm also thinking of Harper's contemptous treatment of the press and the very important Federal Accountability Act (FAA) issue.
It's got to the point where a lot of folks at the polling booths actually toss a coin to determine where they will cast a ballot. The only reason they show up at all is to keep the wheel of the system turning in case we someday get a real democracy.
Glenn Fitzgerald.
You would not know democracy if came and hit you in the eye.
You're democracy is 'my way or the highway'
The knowledge of politics as eluded you to the point of oblivion.
Methinks Stalin has been resurrected.
Arctic_Menace @ Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:54 pm
$1:
Do you really think your comment deserves an intelligent response from a rational being?
And you accuse me of being insulting? Please! Other than my insults, I have a logical argument, but you choose to ignore that and instead focus on the insults in order to boost your evidently fragile ego.
$1:
What do you want me to say? Oh, I get it. I'm supposed to reply:
"Na, Na....sticks and stones my break my bones, but names will never hurt me."
"Na, Na....sticks and stones my break my bones, but names will never hurt me."
Wrong again. I want you to realise how much of a hypocritical ass you are. Simple.
$1:
Your going to have to accept that many people in this country have become disillusioned from the political system here.
I completely agree, but my issue is not with this, it's your superiority complex and HUA Syndrome that I have an issue with.
$1:
So, what are you going to do about it, hurl expletives at them?
Not at all. I'll tell them to spread the word, but not in an agrandised, moral superiority way as you have done. Get off your fucking high horse...
$1:
Actually, I am. I joined the "Left-party" earlyer this year and I have marched alongside alot of conserned citizens in this country aswell as atending conserts for Neo-Liberal awereness. This socialist killer made me become politicaly active. Neo liberals wish for nothing but a weak government and a strong business climate.
Then good for you. I applaud people who actually stand up and do something, instead of sitting around bitching...
Arctic_Menace @ Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:55 pm
$1:
You would not know democracy if came and hit you in the eye.
You're democracy is 'my way or the highway'
The knowledge of politics as eluded you to the point of oblivion.
Methinks Stalin has been resurrected.
You're democracy is 'my way or the highway'
The knowledge of politics as eluded you to the point of oblivion.
Methinks Stalin has been resurrected.
hwacker @ Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:57 pm
OPP OPP:
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
$1:
Well.. they do have a point. I am a Socialist.
But sadly, Sweden too, who was once a sanctuary for socialistic ideals, is now sinking in the same neo-liberal cesspool you so eloquently described.
But sadly, Sweden too, who was once a sanctuary for socialistic ideals, is now sinking in the same neo-liberal cesspool you so eloquently described.
Look buddy, with many of my views, I could be considered a socialist. Don't mistake some jackasses insult as representative of an entire agenda. To do so is to be incredible naive and gullible.
Neo-Liberal? There's a new one for Media Studies Class.
I was unaware that there was such a thing as neo-liberal. In any case, re-inventing liberalism would lead to and even further drift to the left. After all, Liberalism in the 1800's if compared to today, would be considered Harper's type of Conservative.And please, stop with the bitching. Get out and actually do something about it.
Actually, I am. I joined the "Left-party" earlier this year and I have marched alongside alot of conserned citizens in this country aswell as atending conserts for Neo-Liberal awareness. This socialist killer made me become politicaly active. Neo liberals wish for nothing but a weak government and a strong business climate.
And calm yourselfe Arctic. I've been a member of this forum for long enough to know your political views and that there are verry fiew here who resent the ruling parties altogether.
Lucky for your country most don't feel like you. The Swedes had a great country until the socialist ran it into the ground. Time to make Sweden a great county again.
Kick a socialist in the ass if you love your country, hey that would make a great sport the whole family can play.