What Canadians think of Quebec

What I meant Dalenda is that the feds will have their hands full painting Alberta red and we can finally hold a referendum for and about Quebeckers. The last "close call" was bought and paid for by the feds.

[QUOTE BY= Samuel] What I meant Dalenda is that the feds will have their hands full painting Alberta red and we can finally hold a referendum for and about Quebeckers. The last "close call" was bought and paid for by the feds.[/QUOTE] I wonder how many Albertans support separation. But if that is what they want, why not?

Canada never misses an opportunity to bash on Quebec. Now, it seems that a Bloc MP refused to get Canadian flags for an armistice ceremony in his riding. Apparently, Harper picked on it, and the media, in its obsession over Quebec bashing, should get enough fuel with these comments to last until the next Quebec-bashing topic : QUEBEC should be a different country. This is just more support to show that Quebec is different. And, that it should be it's own country. ________ Regarding the Bloc's decision not to provide flags, they have been cleverly maneuvered into this position by the Liberals. Let them continue to take such anti-federal/pro-sepratist positions so that Quebecers can appreciate what will change should they decide to cede. Too many quasi-separatists think that they can have a foot in both political entities while enjoying the benefits Canada provides...and why not? This special status is granted to the Bloc. ---------- for decades quebec has whined and bitched about separating from canada...i think it's time this highly educated,self sufficent province got it's way...away you go neighbour..lets see how you do on the world stage...hhhaaaaa _________ This story is just shameful. Regardless of their desires of seperation, the elected members of the Bloc Quebecois are still nothing more than overglorified civil servants, and if the member of parliment does not want to do his or her job by providing representation to ALL their constituants, then the Canadian system should allow for a percentage of a regions populace to be able to call back their member, and re-elect a new one. If the member of Parliment insists on doing what they think is right in their own mind instead of representing the electorate, then I suggest they leave the Bloc and join Raymond Villeneuve; atleast his extremist sepratist group is honest enough to admit that they hate Federalists. OH wait... That would never happen. With Vilneuve's group, he or she would never get a paycheque or a pension from THE CANADIAN PEOPLE. -------- This attitude is simply revolting. I wish these separatists would either do it or shut up once and for all. Let them go, then we can scrap official bilingualism once and for all and save a lot of money. I am so sick and tired of the whining Quebecers. Canada would be better off without them. They would also get a wake up call when the rest of the business world says speak to us in English or we will not do business with you. And trade with the US, ha, you think the Americans would put up with their childish nonsense. Vive a Quebec by yourself! ----------- Remind me why we send so much money to this province begging them to remain in Canada????? ----------- God help us?? If this is how Bloc treats men and women who gave there lives so that could act in this manner. I did not relize that Quebecers were now cowards, they have forgotten what there fathers, brothers, sisters, monthers did for them, because I am sure there must have been Quebecers in World War 1 and 2 fighting for our freedoom ------------- Bigots! Small minded bigots! Words fail me to describe the hurt, the pain this offensive - no repulsive, gesture causes. I am a proud serving member of Canada's armed forces. My father is a WWII veteran, having fought in Normandy and beyond. We, your military, are not many, we are poorly equipped, we are chronically under-funded and have been since the Trudeau era, but we never refuse to willingly go into harms way to do what our country asks of us; sometimes putting our own lives on the line - and sometimes having to pay the ultimate price, so that our country may enjoy the freedoms it deserves. Then some idiot goes and denies those who allow him to express himself freely, to live the life he chooses, to enjoy all that makes our society great the simple request of new flags to celebrate their fallen comrades. I am sickened by the Bloc. That last time anything similar was seen, that party wore swastikas on their arm bands. André and Gilles: If this offends you, we're even! --------- Face it! Quebec IS a different country. It has been given the green light by Ottawa to attend international meetings on behalf of the Federal Liberals, it operates completely autonomous to Ottawa, it is not governed by the laws of the rest of Canada, and we suckers in the rest of Canada put up with it, pay for it, and allow their separist MP's to direct operations in the House. Only in Canada! Shame! ----------- And we WANT QUEBEC TO BE A PART OF CANADA? This is the perfect example of why they should just separate! It is pretty obvious that all they want to do is take, take, take from Canadians - and show not one ounce of decency or respect to Veterans, Canadians who died for our Country or respect for our Canadian Flag. Bottom line is they have no respect for Canada or Canadians as a whole! So my question to ALL proud Canadians...Why the heck should we have Quebec in Canada and Why the blinking hell should we have Bilingualism when all the funding we send them can go into Healthcare, Child Care, Education and Economic Growth for CANADIANS. I am truly DISGUSTED AT THE BLOC'S ACTIONS and those who voted for them. ----------- Wow, this is great... not the flag thing but the fact that the media put these kinds of "separatist" issues in the news almost on a daily basis. Not sure if you realize but the media is doing us sovereigntist a huge favour by increasing Canadians hatred towards Quebec. Because from all I've been reading lately I strongly believe the next referendum will be the right one for the fact that it will be Canadians asking Quebec to leave. You will definitely convince undecided Quebecers to separate... Exactly what we need to finally GET OUT. You want a proof that Canada is a joke?? The Liberals got re-elected in Ottawa. Now that's freakin revolting and note that I wasn't a sovereigntist before. I've just had it with these millionaire Feds laughing at us constantly. I pay my freakin' taxes too you know. And for all you Quebec haters, what do make of all those NUMEROUS Alberta separatists. Funny I don't see that in the news at all. But they won't miss a chance to jump on Quebec though. ------------- Obviously the Bloc has forgotten (je me souviens?) that it was these veterans who fought for their right to express their opinion - no matter how biggoted it might be. ------------- Bloc MPs certainly aren't embarrassed to take salaries, pensions, and perks paid for by Canadian taxpayers. They certainly aren't embarrassed to use Canadian passports to flit around the world on gov't business, again paid for by Canadian taxpayers. They don't mind their province benefiting from trade agreements negotiated by Canada. They don't mind the billions in equalization payments from the rest of Canada. But distributing the Canadian flag is an embarrassment. Oh, the humiliation. The sooner Quebec goes the better. ----------- Paul Martin should publicly rebuke them for this. When any Bloc MP rises in the House to speak, all other MPs from other parties should either heckle him down, turn their backs, or leave the HOuse en-masse. All federal funding for the Bloc should be discontinued. Other politicians should not worry about embarrassing the Bloc because of this....stand up for the majority of Canadians that are outraged by this. ---------- This really, really makes me mad. This idiot MP has no problem receiving a paycheque from CANADA but to honour the Veterans and provide them with the CANADIAN FLAG seems to cause him great pain. WHAT AN IDIOT. I for one have had enough of the BLOC and their constant whinning. Any party who wants to break up this GREAT NATION has no business being in Parliament. GO AWAY. ---------- What a shame. But if I were to expect this sort of behaviour from anyone, I believe it would be from these fruitcakes... One day I would love to travel across Canada, but if I do, I think I'll skip this province completely... ---------- Not only is the Bloc political party a disgrace but this individual should be run out of the country. Who do they think they are...certainly not CANADIAN...Where or who would they be if real Canadians had not fought in this war. These Bloc people are not human and a waste of skin... --------- Shame on Quebec, when will the rest of Canada wake up and stop Quebec from getting special treatment at the expense of all other Canadians. How long do we have to be bombarded by their special needs, while the rest of us in Canada ride along in the bilingual status from hell. Please have your referendums until finally enough separatists can win and separate us from French anything for the rest of our lives. Join Chirac in France a country of cowards whose track record in each world war was despicable to say the least. One more thing, KUDOS to Steve Harper for sending flags to the Legion - I see Paul Martin has done nothing...Oh yeh! Right - He is From Quebec! -------------- Let all of the rest of Canada remember that there are many in Quebec who are just as outraged as the rest of us. Many Quebecers are proud to be Canadians so please be careful not to group all Quebecers as Canadian haters. The majority of people in the province of Quebec will also express outrage at the disrespect shown by the Bloc. Hopefully some of the separatists will now see that the Bloc is not as interested in serving the people who voted for them. Most importantly lets not let the Bloc take the emphasis off of the heros that died for us because that is surely what they are trying to do! --------- Nice move Mr. Harper, hang-on there. Make them look like the petty biggots they are. ---------- I'm sick of Quebec. If they were not part of Canada's SEA-TO-SEA I would say get rid of em'. But Canada is great, Quebec is the only downside. Proud to be Canadian. ----------- Yet another reason why Quebec should seperate. Then they could honour (dishonour) their war vertrans anyway they see fit. ------------- SHAME...!!! Shame on anyone that refuses to recognize the contributions of CANADIAN soldiers that fought and died for the freedoms that we as CANADIANS enjoy today. The rights and freedoms that the Block supporters enjoy today are thiers because of the sacrifices that CANADIAN MEN AND WOMEN MADE BEFORE THEY WERE BORN.... SHAME ALSO on the Liberal party of Canada, for allowing this unbelievable mess to continue, and for not having the BALLS to stand up for the rest of Canada and the desires of the majority of Canadians... ---------- Great that the Conservative Party stepped up to the plate and showed the strength of conviction to go against these traitors..... ----------- These Separatist BASTARDS have got to be kicked to the curb...!!! The sooner the better... Make no mistake the rest of Canada doesn't want you, and we would be happy to see you go.....! --------- SHAME...!! to all the people who say let them go i say no way. what we should do is take back one of our provences that has been kidnapped but a few zelots. where the hell is our PM and why is he not demanding this MP honour our veterans with the simple reguest of a few flags. at least harper has the balls to stand up to these idiots. there were plenty of guebec men and wemen who fought and lost their lives to give them the freedom they have now, and to turn their backs on them is discusting. i think it is time for all the rest of canada to stand up and tell guebec that this is canada not france and as part of canada you will live by canadian rules no frances. if you want to speak french go ahead but you will you will be governed by the majority the english people. no more special status. no more veve guebec. no more threats to leave because we won't let you. tell them they can whine and cry all they want but they are part of canada and they are going to stay. --------- I would suggest to the bloc MP who did not feel right about supplying Canadian flags to the verterans in Quebec that in this case he should not receive his paycheque as he is paid in CANADIAN money. If he is going to talk the talk he better walk the walk.

Nice! What all of these keyboard critics haven't done however is go down to their Liberal, Conservative, NDP MP offices to see if flags are there for the grabbing. All this Bloc MP has done is told the veteran to address himself to the appropriate federal department for his flag. I'm sure Bloc opposition MP offices will be well stocked from now on <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'>

Delenda: this is not about Quebec. This is about showing respect for the people who fought and watched their friends die for our country. Bellavance is an ungrateful jerk who deserves to have his name dragged through the mud over this shameful lack of respect for a war hero. This is not a Quebec thing: two years ago Grit backbencher Andrew Telegdi of London, Ont. was mauled by the press, rightly so, for refusing to help a veteran with a problem he had getting his pension because the veteran had voted for a Tory. It might not have made the news in Quebec, but trust me, people in English Canada were pissed off and I'm certain other posters from English Canada remember this clearly, too. And again, you are using the red-neck opinions on canada.com to back up your point. They do not represent the majority of Canadians. This is not a Quebec thing. Most people in Canada(that includes Quebec, you know!) have respect for the heroes who helped liberate Europe from the clutches of the genocidal Nazis.

[QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] Canada never misses an opportunity to bash on Quebec. Now, it seems that a Bloc MP refused to get Canadian flags for an armistice ceremony in his riding. Apparently, Harper picked on it, and the media, in its obsession over Quebec bashing, should get enough fuel with these comments to last until the next Quebec-bashing topic : [/QUOTE] I figured this would come up. A nice tie-in to yesterdays discussion. <a href='http://www.canada.com/national/story.html?id=0d087fc7-9a26-4220-b4a0-2f03adcc3080'>Full Story</a> <blockquote>Hill said the flag flap had gotten a lot of media attention after it was reported the area's Bloc Quebecois MP has refused to provide Canadian flags to veterans for Remembrance Day services. Hill said Thursday he was told providing the flags would be in direct conflict with the Bloc's primary goal of Quebec sovereignty. "They do represent us in Ottawa and they are in a federal party and I think it's disgusting that they would take that attitude," said Hill, a Second World War veteran in this community about 120 kilometres east of Montreal. "Whether they separate or whether they don't separate, that's immaterial. When we request something from our federal MPs they should have the decency to at least adhere to it." </blockquote> This MP represents *all* his constituents, not just the seperatist ones. He's perfectly happy accepting his $100,000 a year from the Canadian government provided for by the people's tax money, he should do the job that he is paid to do and serve the people. Jeeze, you people whip out the 'Quebec Bashing' as fast as Americans play the 'Anti-American' card.

[QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb]This MP represents *all* his constituents, not just the seperatist ones. He's perfectly happy accepting his $100,000 a year from the Canadian government provided for by the people's tax money, he should do the job that he is paid to do and serve the people. Jeeze, you people whip out the 'Quebec Bashing' as fast as Americans play the 'Anti-American' card. [/QUOTE] And an MPs job consists in handing out flags? I think not and I dare you to go down to your LIB/CON/NDP MP's office to get your flag. Although I'm sure they are all running to Walmart after this story. As to your last comment, had a Liberal MP's office in St-Johns told a veteran to contact Heritage Canada for his flag, would it of caused all this media attention and bashing?

Dear Dr., I understand very well what you mean. Canadians and French canadians fought in WW2 (my own father was in the Air force during and after WW2 although he never went abroad). Yes, the canadian flag should be available for those who ask for it. That is not my point. My point is that whenever ANYTHING concerning Quebec happens, be it an obscure Bloc MP's comments, or Bombardier, or equalization, or French, or what have you, Canada grabs it and turns it into a Quebec-bashing event. This piece of news is supposed to be concerning that particular MP's refusal (and yet, I don`t know the whole story) to provide flags. Why DOES IT ALWAYS DEGENERATE IN QUEBEC-BASHING?, like we`re have nots, we`re racists, etc. Can you explain that? I will remind you that Canada.com comprises all major newspapers in Canada, the Gazette, the NP, the Vancouver Sun, the Edmonton. and blablablablabla. That includes a lot of people. In Quebec, we`re fed up with this racist bashing. We are working on collecting comments like this that almost come out daily in the English press, translate it in French, and do our own "visibility" program for our next referendum.

[QUOTE BY= Samuel] And an MPs job consists in handing out flags? I think not and I dare you to go down to your LIB/CON/NDP MP's office to get your flag. [/QUOTE] Yes, it is. They are provided by <a href='http://www.canadianheritage.gc.ca/progs/cpsc-ccsp/sc-cs/df1_e.cfm'>Heritage Canada</a>, to anyone who asks. Veterans are entilted to a flag which has flown over the Peace Tower, and are provided by their MP upon request. (While there, you may want to look over the link 'Flag Etiquette in Canada' to relate it to yesterday's Card Playing incident.) [QUOTE BY= Samuel] As to your last comment, had a Liberal MP's office in St-Johns told a veteran to contact Heritage Canada for his flag, would it of caused all this media attention and bashing?[/QUOTE] As pointed out above, Andrew Telegdi caused quite a stir when he refused to do this. I remember it well.

[QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] That is not my point. My point is that whenever ANYTHING concerning Quebec happens, be it an obscure Bloc MP's comments, or Bombardier, or equalization, or French, or what have you, Canada grabs it and turns it into a Quebec-bashing event. [/QUOTE] My point is that it's not about Quebec. Your knee jerk reaction has caused you to be supersensitive about Quebec, and because this involves to opposing symbols; the Canadian Flag and a Bloc MP, you assume it is about bashing Quebec. It happened in Ontairo a few years ago, and exactally the same uproar ocurred. Look it up.

My bad, I was not aware of the veteran flag freebie.

[QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] I will remind you that Canada.com comprises all major newspapers in Canada, the Gazette, the NP, the Vancouver Sun, the Edmonton. and blablablablabla. That includes a lot of people.[/QUOTE]All major newspapers? I guess when you say all major papers, that doesn't include the two with the highest circulation: the Toronto Star and the Globe and Mail. What exactly is a major newspaper, then? The fact of the matter is, the newspapers that don't bash Quebec or appeal to these redneck sentiments are the ones that sell the most. Most CanWest papers endorsed Stephen Harper, and he didn't even get 30% of the popular vote. If these papers have so much influence and represent the majority of Canadians, why is it that 4 years of bashing Liberals and promoting Conservatives failed to have an impact at the ballot box?

[QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb] [/QUOTE] My point is that it's not about Quebec. Your knee jerk reaction has caused you to be supersensitive about Quebec, and because this involves to opposing symbols; the Canadian Flag and a Bloc MP, you assume it is about bashing Quebec. It happened in Ontairo a few years ago, and exactally the same uproar ocurred. Look it up. [/QUOTE] Well, if you think I am "supersensitive" and that is not Quebec-bashing, what would real Quebec-bashing look like? Dear Doctor, do not take us for idiots.

Sorry, here it is : Dr. Caleb :"My point is that it's not about Quebec. Your knee jerk reaction has caused you to be supersensitive about Quebec, and because this involves to opposing symbols; the Canadian Flag and a Bloc MP, you assume it is about bashing Quebec. " Wow, if you think I am being too "sensitive", and this is not Quebec-bashing, can you tell me what Quebec-bashing would be? Do not take us for idiots.

[QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] Wow, if you think I am being too "sensitive", and this is not Quebec-bashing, can you tell me what Quebec-bashing would be? Do not take us for idiots.[/QUOTE] If you're refering to the Canada.com sound off section . . . what the heck are you thinking? If you want something to be even remotely pro-quebec, you are looking at the wrong newspaper. Those soundoff sections are populated with the lowest common denominator. And the responses are culled to bring out the full flavour of the red-necks. Don't even compare Vive to Canada.com.