Anti-American topics (Merged)
Scape @ Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:06 pm
westmanguy westmanguy:
What do you expect Scrape?
More than you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Q14HOB ... re=related
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_M._W ... General%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt
http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DX
There's nothing wrong with trading with the US, but becoming reliant on their trade is what I'm sure we can all agree on is a bad idea. Whether you love the USA or not, you cannot dispute that their economy is in bad shape due to the policies of the elected representatives there.
Although I don't agree with US policy, I'm not in favor of closing our borders with them, all I would like to see is a trade policy that includes the USA as a partner, but not the largest partner. If we do this in advance we may be able to mitigate the problems stemming from an increasingly impoverished United States, but even if you don't agree with me and think the US should remain our main trading partner, market forces will take care of it anyways - albeit with increased costs down the road.
I am concerned about Canada's interests above all, although I would like to see the US have a strong economy, the interests of Canada take precedence and I believe we should protect ours.
crh @ Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:12 am
Actually, the Americans are running scared that everything is made somewhere else. They run a trade deficit, and it is growing under Bush policy. It just takes tham a little longer to realize this is not a good thing, being brainwashed on a daily basis by the media.
Long live protectionism!
F the WTO!!!!
protectionism is crucial.
50 years ago people wouldve been in the streets freaking out about the corperate bullshit that's going on now.
not everyone is able to be a doctor lawyer or CEO!!! protect the working man!!!!
50 years ago companies would keep the jobs in the country out of patriotism and loyalty and love of their country!
people say America is too patriotic, but our trading policies certianly suggest otherwise!
bring REAL patriotism back plzzz!
You should protect your own country before you go building someone elses!
outsourcing is immoral.
$1:
F the WTO!!!!
protectionism is crucial.
50 years ago people wouldve been in the streets freaking out about the corperate bullshit that's going on now.
not everyone is able to be a doctor lawyer or CEO!!! protect the working man!!!!
50 years ago companies would keep the jobs in the country out of patriotism and loyalty and love of their country!
people say America is too patriotic, but our trading policies certianly suggest otherwise!
bring REAL patriotism back plzzz!
You should protect your own country before you go building someone elses!
outsourcing is immoral.
Things were different 50 years ago. 50 years ago is just that, 50 years ago. Outsourcing is not immoral, its crucial for the survival of many manufacturing firms. Protection is downfall. I actually do hope America goes protectionist, this way we can pass many laws beneficial to Canada and our own businesses men will be faced with tougher questions. In 20-50 years America will need us more than we will need them. 300 million people need to eat, drink, need oil, the list is long. We have 34 million people to make rich from selling things to America, at a premium of course.
well sounds like we are in agreement. canadians build canada, and americans build america. sounds like a good plan to me!
there is no reason a company needs to pay a CEO 50 million dollars and in the same year lay off thousands of people!! outsourcing most definitely IS immoral. imo.
in the 21st century no progressive country can succeed without foreign trade. It's not easy to "just build a country". America consumes more than it produces. Unless you're ready to see general prices increase by 20-50% in the next few years free trade will continue. Inflation was really high in latin america due to their regressive trade policies.
Rationalist Rationalist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Q14HOBThM&feature=related
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_M._W ... General%29http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debthttp://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DXThere's nothing wrong with trading with the US, but becoming reliant on their trade is what I'm sure we can all agree on is a bad idea. Whether you love the USA or not, you cannot dispute that their economy is in bad shape due to the policies of the elected representatives there.
Although I don't agree with US policy, I'm not in favor of closing our borders with them, all I would like to see is a trade policy that includes the USA as a partner, but not the largest partner. If we do this in advance we may be able to mitigate the problems stemming from an increasingly impoverished United States, but even if you don't agree with me and think the US should remain our main trading partner, market forces will take care of it anyways - albeit with increased costs down the road.
I am concerned about Canada's interests above all, although I would like to see the US have a strong economy, the interests of Canada take precedence and I believe we should protect ours.
It has nothing to do with policy. Its just the economy. Policy has very little to do with economy except interest rates and maybe tax policy, which BOTH have been for the US economy. However, the recession was a long time coming, it was probably stalled by the Bush administration, since war and tax cuts always boost the economy. However, US consumers brought this upon themselves, they bought more than they can pay for and its biting them in the ass.
So who else exactly would be a larger trading partner? China? Europe? India? Listen, when you have 300,000,000 consumers, producers, and investors literally a car ride away, why the hell do you say. "Hey Go fuck yourselves, we're gonna trade with people an ocean away who'll probably fuck us over even more than you have." That'll be lovely to the Canadian/US trade relationship. If private corporations see profits in finding new buyers in other countries...let them, its not the government's job to dictate who we should trade with.
CommanderSock CommanderSock:
in the 21st century no progressive country can succeed without foreign trade. It's not easy to "just build a country". America consumes more than it produces. Unless you're ready to see general prices increase by 20-50% in the next few years free trade will continue. Inflation was really high in latin america due to their regressive trade policies.
the only reason the rpices are lower though is beacuse people in some other country are working for peanuts. you'd rather have low prices at the expense of some poor worker in china?? i wouldn't
i'd rather pay a little more, and not abuse the poor of another country and at the same time make sure working class americans stay employed and support their families.
what's the choice?? eigther you pay more in taxes for welfare for families out of work, or you pay more at the register for those same people to have a job and support their family. i choose the latter.
it would not be more expensive if the asian countries had the same employee rights that we have in the western world. the only reason these jobs are being sent overseas is because there are no strict laws protecting workers! not only should we not be sending jobs over there out of protectionism, but we should not be sending them because of human rights violations!
also, buying locally made products reduces carbon emissions!
do it for human rights, do it for protectionism, or do it for enviornmentalism...eigther way, all signs point to keeping manufacturing jobs in your own country!
the only people who benefits from global trade is the fat cats!
Where do you assume that the workers there are abused. No one put a gun to their heads and sent them to Nike factories, they <b>want</b> to work, just like how the Americans like to work. As globalization kicks in the battle for great talent, or even the average factory worker also becomes a global one. In economics usually a quantitative and qualitative data gathering is used to decide which country and or region would best suit a job. Not emotions, we leave those for Romantic movies. If America wants to be isolationist, by all means, vote in whoever will isolate you the most.
We do business with whoever ends up making us richer, not who is closer or friendlier. That's how money is made.
Silly article by a silly man.
Must be a slow day for the poor twerp.
I think to transform the average Canadian into a yank would take several surgical operations, from a conscience bypass to a values bypass to a charisma bypass. It would be pretty close to a total brain bypass, given who they elected to lead them..
Brent
"I think to transform the average Canadian into a yank would take several surgical operations, from a conscience bypass to a values bypass to a charisma bypass."
Bigoted nonsense. But hey, it's a permitted bigotry, so you won't be called on it.
Only the Democrats would want us. Any Republican government would no way want Canada (except Alberta of course).
westmanguy westmanguy:
Only the Democrats would want us. Any Republican government would no way want Canada (except Alberta of course).
Most Alberta and Canadian Conservatives, if living in the U.S. would move to New England, drive a Volvo and wear Birkenstocks

(This does not include a few, like mtbr and Ridenrain who would probably move to Idaho and join a Militia ):wink: The concept of conservative is a little more severe in the U.S.