Bush, Cheney, Rice and company ...Heads in the sand
Ruserious @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:08 am
$1:
US 'losing in Iraq' - Republican Senator Hagel
Sun Jun 19, 3:41 PM ET
WASHINGTON (AFP) - Republican Senator Chuck Hagel slammed the George W. Bush administration's Iraq policy as "disconnected from reality" in some of the harshest comments to date about the war from a member of the president's own party.
Hagel, a top Senate Republican said to have presidential aspirations, said in an interview in US News and World Report, set to hit newsstands Monday, that US troops are "losing" the Iraq war, and that "things aren't getting better, they're getting worse."
"The White House is completely disconnected from reality," said Hagel. "It's like they're just making it up as they go along. The reality is that we're losing in Iraq," said Hagel, who added that increasingly, fellow Republicans are coming to share his view.
"More and more of my colleagues up here are concerned," he said.
He made his comments as insurgent attacks in Iraq are at an all-time high and as a growing number of lawmakers have begun calling for a timetable for the withdrawal of US troops there.
US officials say the president hopes to convince skeptical Americans that progress is being made in Iraq but that setting a firm timetable for withdrawal would only embolden the United States' enemies.
Responding to Hagel's remarks on US television Sunday, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice rejected his bleak assessment of events in Iraq.
"If you're looking at what is happening politically in Iraq, these people are moving toward a different kind of future than Saddam Hussein could ever have given them," she told CNN.
"The insurgency is losing the Iraqi people, because the Iraqi people have a different kind of future in mind," she said. "That's why we're getting more intelligence. That's why people continue to volunteer for the Iraqi security services."
"We are not going to have to ... shoulder this burden until the day that the last moment of violence is over in Iraq. The Iraqis will have to do that. But we can leave them a firm foundation for a better future, and I think we can do that in a relatively quick period of time," Rice told CNN.
Still, recent polls show declining US support for the war, with some 59 percent of Americans expressing disapproval of how Bush was handling the situation in Iraq, and 51 percent thought the United States should never have invaded the country.
Sun Jun 19, 3:41 PM ET
WASHINGTON (AFP) - Republican Senator Chuck Hagel slammed the George W. Bush administration's Iraq policy as "disconnected from reality" in some of the harshest comments to date about the war from a member of the president's own party.
Hagel, a top Senate Republican said to have presidential aspirations, said in an interview in US News and World Report, set to hit newsstands Monday, that US troops are "losing" the Iraq war, and that "things aren't getting better, they're getting worse."
"The White House is completely disconnected from reality," said Hagel. "It's like they're just making it up as they go along. The reality is that we're losing in Iraq," said Hagel, who added that increasingly, fellow Republicans are coming to share his view.
"More and more of my colleagues up here are concerned," he said.
He made his comments as insurgent attacks in Iraq are at an all-time high and as a growing number of lawmakers have begun calling for a timetable for the withdrawal of US troops there.
US officials say the president hopes to convince skeptical Americans that progress is being made in Iraq but that setting a firm timetable for withdrawal would only embolden the United States' enemies.
Responding to Hagel's remarks on US television Sunday, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice rejected his bleak assessment of events in Iraq.
"If you're looking at what is happening politically in Iraq, these people are moving toward a different kind of future than Saddam Hussein could ever have given them," she told CNN.
"The insurgency is losing the Iraqi people, because the Iraqi people have a different kind of future in mind," she said. "That's why we're getting more intelligence. That's why people continue to volunteer for the Iraqi security services."
"We are not going to have to ... shoulder this burden until the day that the last moment of violence is over in Iraq. The Iraqis will have to do that. But we can leave them a firm foundation for a better future, and I think we can do that in a relatively quick period of time," Rice told CNN.
Still, recent polls show declining US support for the war, with some 59 percent of Americans expressing disapproval of how Bush was handling the situation in Iraq, and 51 percent thought the United States should never have invaded the country.
Keep on drinking that kool-aid all you Bushites..
hwacker @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:14 am
BULLSHIT. Hagel is a nutcase.
DerbyX @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:26 am
Why, because he actually looks at what's happening in iraq and is voicing his concern?
hwacker @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:27 am
DerbyX DerbyX:
Why, because he actually looks at what's happening in iraq and is voicing his concern?
No cause he's a nutcase.
Pimpbrewski @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:31 am
Ruserious Ruserious:
Still, recent polls show declining US support for the war, with some 59 percent of Americans expressing disapproval of how Bush was handling the situation in Iraq, and 51 percent thought the United States should never have invaded the country.
This is interesting. No surprise there. It seems that even the American public is against Bush's policies.
Proculation @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:49 am
They had their chance last November... Now just too bad for them ! 
Robair @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:57 am
Hey, Ruserious! Link please.
He's a nutcase because he's a nutcase? Reasoning at its finest. 
BartSimpson @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:04 am
I'm so glad these losers weren't around during WW2.
I can see the headlines....
"Germans threaten to throw Allied invasion force into the sea!"
Headline from Normandy invasion.
"British lose HMS Hood to superior battleship Bismarck. MP's suggest beaching the Home Fleet"
"Japanese pummel unprepared American Navy! Carrier Yorktown lost"
Headline from battle of Midway.
"Morale plunges to all-time low as troops slog it out on Saipan!"
"Japanese cannot be defeated says US Sen. John McCain"
"15,000 dead in first wave of invasion at Iwo Jima! US Senate to convene hearings on ongoing military failures."
"French rape and pillage occupied Germany"
What has been an incredibly successful military victory in Iraq is being transformed into a morass by the traitorous media and the ever more traitorous liberals who seek political advantage at the cost of soldier's lives. Every word spoken against the troops is a word spoken for the enemy.
DrCaleb @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:34 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
What has been an incredibly successful military victory in Iraq is being transformed into a morass by the traitorous media and the ever more traitorous liberals who seek political advantage at the cost of soldier's lives. Every word spoken against the troops is a word spoken for the enemy.
Funny you should mention WW2. I believe it was in the Nazi playbook that anyone excercising their 'free' speech against the goverment got labelled with the word 'traitor'. Just in the US, the word 'liberal' gets added, like it's some sort of bad thing. After a while, it becomes a meme, like when I use the word "Conspiracy . . ." what's the next word you think of?
A successful military victory indeed. Absolutely. It wasn't a really big surprise, since the schoolyard bully usually wins against the kid who rides the 'short bus'. But what about after the military victory? How's it been going since then? I guess the Media isn't allowed to use their right to free speech in describing that.
DerbyX @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:16 pm
BartSimpson wrote:
$1:
What has been an incredibly successful military victory in Iraq is being transformed into a morass by the traitorous media and the ever more traitorous liberals who seek political advantage at the cost of soldier's lives. Every word spoken against the troops is a word spoken for the enemy.
That statement shows a unbelievably low intelligence factor. Your smarter then that. "If you are not with us, your against us?"
Constantinople @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:23 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
I'm so glad these losers weren't around during WW2.
I can see the headlines....
"Germans threaten to throw Allied invasion force into the sea!"
Headline from Normandy invasion.
"British lose HMS Hood to superior battleship Bismarck. MP's suggest beaching the Home Fleet"
"Japanese pummel unprepared American Navy! Carrier Yorktown lost"
Headline from battle of Midway.
"Morale plunges to all-time low as troops slog it out on Saipan!"
"Japanese cannot be defeated says US Sen. John McCain"
"15,000 dead in first wave of invasion at Iwo Jima! US Senate to convene hearings on ongoing military failures."
"French rape and pillage occupied Germany"
What has been an incredibly successful military victory in Iraq is being transformed into a morass by the traitorous media and the ever more traitorous liberals who seek political advantage at the cost of soldier's lives. Every word spoken against the troops is a word spoken for the enemy.
I can see the headlines....
"Germans threaten to throw Allied invasion force into the sea!"
Headline from Normandy invasion.
"British lose HMS Hood to superior battleship Bismarck. MP's suggest beaching the Home Fleet"
"Japanese pummel unprepared American Navy! Carrier Yorktown lost"
Headline from battle of Midway.
"Morale plunges to all-time low as troops slog it out on Saipan!"
"Japanese cannot be defeated says US Sen. John McCain"
"15,000 dead in first wave of invasion at Iwo Jima! US Senate to convene hearings on ongoing military failures."
"French rape and pillage occupied Germany"
What has been an incredibly successful military victory in Iraq is being transformed into a morass by the traitorous media and the ever more traitorous liberals who seek political advantage at the cost of soldier's lives. Every word spoken against the troops is a word spoken for the enemy.
It's only going to get worse as the Information Age progresses.
World War II would have gone to the Germans if there was as much media then as there is now.
All the true fighters have died over the years and we're left with a majority of people who can't stomach war let alone serve selflessly in their own military.
I wouldn't doubt if someday there is a Department of Peace and all the diplomats get plowed over by the darker regimes on this planet.
So much for all the heroes of the past who gave Western Civilization its chance.
Liberals win today so we can all die tomorrow.
DerbyX @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:52 pm
If you actually new any history you would know that by the time D-day happened most considered the red army unstopable but feel free to blame the liberals anyway. The liberals of germany were the ones who fought against the nazi atrocities. It was the "republicans" of germany who said "if you are not with us you are against us" and they invaded foreign countries as well for "national security". Sound familiar?
Constantinople @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:54 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
If you actually new any history you would know that by the time D-day happened most considered the red army unstopable but feel free to blame the liberals anyway. The liberals of germany were the ones who fought against the nazi atrocities. It was the "republicans" of germany who said "if you are not with us you are against us" and they invaded foreign countries as well for "national security". Sound familiar?
D-Day would have never came to be. The U.S. support would've been low with today's media. Germany would've been able to concentrate on Russia. Japan would've invaded California.
Then the people's eyes would've opened. But then it's a little too late.
DerbyX @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:58 pm
I suggest you brush up on history. Go ask Mustang1 or read a book. If you think that it was the republicans who allowed us to win WW2, despite the liberals you are truly a moron who can do nothing but spout propaganda. BTW, we joined in '39, what was your excuse?
Constantinople @ Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:00 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
I suggest you brush up on history. Go ask Mustang1 or read a book. If you think that it was the republicans who allowed us to win WW2, despite the liberals you are truly a moron who can do nothing but spout propaganda. BTW, we joined in '39, what was your excuse?
Am I talking about real history here? I'm talking about if the media during WWII was like it is today. I suggest you brush up on knowing what the subject at hand is. Ever had a speculative debate before?