Canada losing status as prime U.S. ally??
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BartSimpson @ Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:21 pm
sthompson sthompson:
the biggest cultural memory of that being when he sang "When Irish Eyes Are Smiling" at the so-called Shamrock Summit between him and Reagan back on St. Patrick's Day, 1985. We all shudder to remember that moment.
Yeah, God forbid your leader should debase himself to be friendly to an American.
Like I said, you Canadian anti-Americans are a queer bunch. You tell us you hate us and get your panties in a knot when we acknowledge that. Idiots.
For now, with Mr. Harper in charge, we'll be pretty good friends.
Elect another moron like Chretien and we'll get back to having chilly relations again....just as you'd prefer.
Streaker @ Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:25 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
sthompson sthompson:
the biggest cultural memory of that being when he sang "When Irish Eyes Are Smiling" at the so-called Shamrock Summit between him and Reagan back on St. Patrick's Day, 1985. We all shudder to remember that moment.
Yeah, God forbid your leader should debase himself to be friendly to an American.
Like I said, you Canadian anti-Americans are a queer bunch. You tell us you hate us and get your panties in a knot when we acknowledge that.
What makes you think that?
BartSimpson @ Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:26 pm
Streaker Streaker:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
sthompson sthompson:
the biggest cultural memory of that being when he sang "When Irish Eyes Are Smiling" at the so-called Shamrock Summit between him and Reagan back on St. Patrick's Day, 1985. We all shudder to remember that moment.
Yeah, God forbid your leader should debase himself to be friendly to an American.
Like I said, you Canadian anti-Americans are a queer bunch. You tell us you hate us and get your panties in a knot when we acknowledge that.
What makes you think that?
Read the posts I'm responding to.
Streaker @ Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:31 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Streaker Streaker:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
sthompson sthompson:
the biggest cultural memory of that being when he sang "When Irish Eyes Are Smiling" at the so-called Shamrock Summit between him and Reagan back on St. Patrick's Day, 1985. We all shudder to remember that moment.
Yeah, God forbid your leader should debase himself to be friendly to an American.
Like I said, you Canadian anti-Americans are a queer bunch. You tell us you hate us and get your panties in a knot when we acknowledge that.
What makes you think that?
Read the posts I'm responding to.
Seems to me that the point of Rationalist and sthompson's posts is that they don't particularly care what Americans think about Canada.
BartSimpson @ Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:06 pm
Streaker Streaker:
Seems to me that the point of Rationalist and sthompson's posts is that they don't particularly care what Americans think about Canada.
I beg to differ.
Rationalist Rationalist:
As a Canadian, I take offense at your last comment. Clearly we aren't important if the US doesn't think we are - that's the only thing that matters right?
If he does not care then why bother being offended by what I think? And then why bother getting his panties in a knot over it?
$1:
Go find some more 'important' friends. We don't need your help.
Sounds pretty pissy to me.
In any case, I find it quite paradoxical that anti-American Canadians apparently
expect to be able to go about strutting their oh-so-European dislike of America while simultaneously expecting the USA to be nice to them.
It just doesn't work that way.
And the shortsightedness not to appreciate two world leaders enjoying a personal relationship (and the benefit thereof) escapes me.
Brian Mulroney and Ronald Reagan were friends. I just don't see what's wrong with that.
The shame is that the same could not have been said for Clinton and Chretien.
fifeboy @ Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:19 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Brian Mulroney stands out still as the ONLY world leader who has ever had the direct dial number to the Presidential bedroom at the White House.
Didn't know old Brian had it in him.
lostalex @ Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:24 pm
America will always protect Canada, no matter how much you spit in our face. so the premise of this thread is really a non-issue.
No matter how much red state america and blue state america hate eachother we all know we're in it together, and no offense, but Canada is just another blue state to most Americans. imho.
Streaker @ Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:27 pm
Protect Canada from what?
Streaker @ Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:37 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Streaker Streaker:
Seems to me that the point of Rationalist and sthompson's posts is that they don't particularly care what Americans think about Canada.
I beg to differ.
Rationalist Rationalist:
As a Canadian, I take offense at your last comment. Clearly we aren't important if the US doesn't think we are - that's the only thing that matters right?
If he does not care then why bother being offended by what I think? And then why bother getting his panties in a knot over it?
$1:
Go find some more 'important' friends. We don't need your help.
Sounds pretty pissy to me.
I suspect their posts have more to do with your thinly-veiled suggestion that Canada should kiss American ass. And that you made this comment on a Canadian site.
You're pissing on our rug, Bart.
lostalex @ Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:44 pm
Streaker Streaker:
Protect Canada from what?
instability in general.
i'm just saying, north america will never be like europe. we arn't britain and france. we may have our bickering like modern day britain and france, but nothing could bring us to the point of true division like the old european states. (even though people like you might wish wish it)
Streaker @ Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:50 pm
lostalex lostalex:
Streaker Streaker:
Protect Canada from what?
instability in general.
What if the US is the main cause of instability?
lostalex lostalex:
i'm just saying, north america will never be like europe. we arn't britain and france. we may have our bickering like modern day britain and france, but nothing could bring us to the point of true division like the old european states. (even though people like you might wish wish it)
Fair enough (and no, I wouldn't wish it).
sthompson @ Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:55 pm
Yeah I always find that argument about the US protecting Canada very funny. We need protecting from the US!! Economically for sure, and also, it's always been the US that's been bent on invading us throughout history, not other countries.
And Yup Bart, Streaker's right, the whole point is that Mulroney wasn't just friends with the US President--he practically licked Reagan's boots. That's not a friendship because it isn't an equal relationship. It's a subordinate one (master and servant). And you seem to be saying that kissing up and bootlicking US leaders is ideal in Canadian leaders, while most Canadians tend to feel differently. (Again, see Mulroney's extremely low popularity by his second term.)
Yet if we say so, then you slander us by labelling us "anti-American", which is no different than calling someone a communist back in the day. It's not an argument, it's an insult, meant to conveniently discredit without actually answering the substance of the argument.
Meanwhile, haven't you noticed that the US doesn't treat Canada any better even when we bend over and do what the US wants? Having "free trade", Harper (and going to Afghanistan) didn't prevent the US from appealing every NAFTA decision on softwood lumber. Or putting protections up at the border. Being "good friends" and doing what the US wants never wins us any better treatment in any way that counts (I personally couldn't really care less if Bush visits while the Canadian softwood industry tanks for example).
Even US reps understand that Canada shouldn't be kissing more US ass to improve our situation--we should be negotiating from a stronger position, being tougher, such as by putting oil and gas on the table and using that as a way to gain some leverage in trade agreements like NAFTA. If we act like doormats, then the US will treat us like doormats, not suddenly decide to make sure Canadian sovereignty, interests, and resources are protected. And that's been the story so far.
Lastly, Canada might be "just another blue state" to most Americans, but that doesn't mean it's true. It's an insult, and an ignorant one at that. We do still have our sovereignty. That attitude is what drove me out of working for US progressive organization MoveOn--even the progressives I worked with in the US didn't get that not everyone thinks the US is the greatest democracy in the world. Because, guess what! We're not Americans! We're Canadians!
But it's disturbing how far that ethnocentric rhetoric has really penetrated into the US consciousness.
sthompson @ Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:23 pm
Which means what exactly? Especially in terms of economics?
mixedfarmer @ Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:25 pm
soon bush will be gone and maybe the world can get back to normal
Diogenes @ Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:41 pm
"Yeah I always find that argument about the US protecting Canada very funny. We need protecting from the US!!"
Nope!
We need protecting from ourselves, that is to say our apathy
And you of all S. Thompson should know by now that to speak in terems of whole societies, Canadian or American is Ludicrous
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