I personally enjoy applewood-smoked bacon. The aroma simply fills up the whole house when you cook it and I just love that smell on a cold winter's morning.

From what judgement. Have I said anything irrational? Am I making emotional based arguments? Do I seem like someone that angers quickly and starts calling people names or laying out insults when I have no logical argument to make?


Unjust harm. I will agree with your statement. When my life is at risk, or when I think someone else is at risk I will act to protect life and property. To act requires me to make a judgement as to who is the aggressor and what chance they have to hurt someone. I will not stand by and watch someone get hurt or killed in front of me while I call the police. I will help.

Another fun stat, citizens using guns for defensive reasons that shoot someone, shoot the correct person more often than the police. The police shoot the victim or a by stander more often than armed citizens do.

It looks like a reasonable wheel, however where do you think someone starts on the wheel when someone breaks into the home they are living in? How about when someone says give me your wallet and is holding a knife out? What about when one person is on the ground being beat by a group of people?

The answer is most of the way around the wheel.

To paraphrase from ROEs, you must always start at the minimum force to compleat the task, sometimes lethal force is the minimum force. Sometime the situation changes so fast that the first action might be lethal force.

Using a pistol is the safest way to deal with a robbery or a home invasion, it's safer than giving in, safe than running away. You want to force people to have a less safe set of actions. Why? It's safer for the victim and safer for the criminal, as in most cases showing or drawing a weapon is sufficent to end the situation.

What is your logic to remove the best method to deal with a criminal?
I don't understand, if you are faced with a life and death situation why can't you defend yourself with everything you have in anyway you can? Why is your life worth less than a criminals?

Are you actualy saying that every case when someone has killed a criminal that they are wrong? Would you like to see every person that has ever killed in self defence put in jail because you think only the police should have the right to use deadly force?
I will agree however, the police have a different goal in mind. A citizen wants to protect their life or property. A police officer is trying to enforce laws.

How did you get those odds? Further what value judgements are you using to make a criminal's life more important than the victims?
A situation might have been defused, if you had a police officer in your bathroom, waiting for a home invader. But as they say when seconds count the police are just minutes away.
And that homeowner is likely going to be put to death for that.

Hardly full of them, what it is full of is valid use of firearms to end criminal conflicts without anyone being hurt.

Single cases are the exception not the rule.

Because you are making an emotional argument rather than a factual one.
No, I said nothing of the sort, and you know it.

You, in reply to a statement that more guns make you safer referanced Michigan as a state with a lot of guns and a very high rate of crime. You made note of Flint and Detroit being very high crime cities. I pointed out that having a large black population relates to having a higher level of crime.

You then made some factualy incorrect statements about some cities in Michigan which I corrected with facts. You then turned it into this post about how I am using the USA's social problem with crime and black populations to justify Canadian CCW and SYG laws. Which I am not, for the record.


It is not racist to accept facts about race. Or if it is, then the word doesn't mean what you think it means anymore.



I have no backdoor, and my bedroom window would be a suicide to jump out of. To get to a safe exit I would need to cross paths with the area that connects with the door. As such I would arm myself and then listen to gather as much information as possible. It's highly unlikely that anyone inside my home would fail to notice me, so by the nature of the layour of my home I would be forced into a confrontation almost instantly.

If I had a house and a family that gave me the option to meet one of the other options, I would arm myself then confront because it is safer to leverage my advantage then that it is to try and sneak out and run far enough away. More than likely a house will only have a single set of stairs between floors and those are most often by the front door, which would require me to try and get my family past an area that is likely to have a criminal in it. I would rather work from a point of knowing that behind me was secure, and only have to worry about what is ahead.

I can understand your logic but I don't agree with it.

Prairie Meats here in ToonTown make the best cherry smoked bacon. Visit and I will fix you some, just don't forget your cholesterol Meds.

From what judgement. Have I said anything irrational? Am I making emotional based arguments? Do I seem like someone that angers quickly and starts calling people names or laying out insults when I have no logical argument to make?

No offense Xort, but if we had a CCW law, I'd hope you'd be on the Denied list. You seem unfit to hold such responsibility.

Note the length of the rebuttal Xort. Concise and says it all. Give it a go.

From previous postings of his(that I managed stay awake whilst reading), I don't think Xort will be my choice for packing a 40Cal/AR15 in an urban evironment, in any lawful way.

Yes, especially when walking down the street.

Winnipeg Metro News August 16 2012 p.5

"Police say a man accidentally shot himself in the buttocks at a Nevada movie theatre during a showing of The Bourne Legacy.

Police in Sparks, Nev. say the 56 year old man's injuries are not life threatening an no others were hurt.

Authorities say the man had a permit to carry a concealed firearm. The man told officers the gun fell from his pocket. Tuesday night as he was adjusting himself in the seat and that it discharged when it dropped on the floor.

The associated Press

Just throwing this into the mix...

http://thegunwire.com/blog/mrcolionnoir ... rry-a-gun/

NRA gun instructor shoots student by accident
Instructor’s gun goes off, striking student in foot
February 21, 2010|By Eloísa Ruano González, Orlando Sentinel

A gun instructor accidently shot a student in the foot Saturday during an NRA class to receive certification to carry a concealed weapon, Orlando police said.

Robert Frauman Jr., 50, was taken to Florida Hospital after instructor Michael Phillips' firearm discharged about 11:45 a.m., police said.