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"Shot by a pink gun"... That should be a song title!

   

Look here is another story from a year a go, this is proof that accidents with guns are common!

"23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000"
http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/nfirates2000.html
Accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries 7 per 100,000. (the CDC puts it at 8 )

Dog bites 122.79 per 100,000.
Unintentional Poisoning 118.78 per 100,000.
Unintentional Fire/Burn 191.11 per 100,000.
Unintentional Inhalation/Suffocation 11.52 per 100,000.

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/nonfatal.html

Now I know what you might say; But what about people that died from a firearm accident?

Unintentional Firearm Deaths 0.20 per 100,000.
Unintentional Machinery Deaths 0.21 per 100,000.
You are very slightly more likely to get killed in/by machinery of some kind than you are to accidently kill yourself with a firearm.
http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_sy.html
(you can use that to set up the data you want, select Unintentional and Firearm, then click submit)

   

Twenty-five pages and...

   

You're right, Xort. Guns are perfectly safe and we all should be able to carry, and even buy it at a grocery story, like cleaning stuff (does a GREAT poisoning job), matches and lighters (don't think you need me to explain that one) and as far as the suffocation/inhalation goes... let me guess, babies?

   

I didn't say that. They are highly safe, even in the US with it's huge mix of gun laws, some states mandating training others not. But they are not perfectly safe. Even someone doing everything right might still have an accident due to imperfections in the firearm, ammo, or a Rube Goldberg like contrivance.


I have no problem with limiting the sale of firearms to specialty stores, or having some kind of regulatory requirement for a retailer so long as it's objective is practical rather than restrictive.

The link I provided you can adjust the data by age.

Unintentional Inhalation/Suffocation (non fatal)
For 12 to 85: 8.53
For 0 to 5: 48.34

So yes for young children it is higher. But that isn't abnormal, young children hurt themself and kill themself at a much higher rate than I think any other age group. Even teenaged males.

Bottom line even if we only use the lowest reported number for defensive gun use, of about 100,000, that is still a good deal to stop crime and protect people. 23,000 accidents a year to protect people at least 100,000 times. Which includes all accidents for firearms, not just day to day and home defence use of firearms. I bet a large number of hunting accidents make up that 23,000 number.

   

Strange though that some here argue that guns are fairly safe and that they don't kill people, people kill people, or when there's an accident, it's because of the stupidity of some people... but then they make the complete opposite argument with drugs.

   

It's almost as if drug and guns are totaly different.
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Anyway, what do the numbers say? How many people have unintentional injuries from illegal drugs? How many people died from unintentional drug related injuries. How would legalization improve those numbers? Can you suggest any non injury related negitives or positives related with a regulation program?

Make the argument, don't just be passive agressive about it. That is if you actualy care about the topic. If you want want to attack someone, hold the line you are doing fine.

   

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oh Dr. they WILL protect you! unless it's a G20 summit and the cops take off their name tags so their blatant civil rights violations can't be traced back to them.

   

Know something funny? Canada already has a licence to carry a pistol for self defence. However the government has desided only to issue them to wealthy and politicaly important people.

I guess a friend of a political party has a more important life than most Canadians.

Another funny fact, is that you can open cary a non restricted firearm so long as it is not loaded.

   

Lots of states are like that too. You got to know some politician to get a gun permit. I am happy we live in Wyoming where you see people with guns on all the time and we're all just use to it. We don't have anywhere near the crime of California and I think some of it is because the criminals know it isn't easy for them to do stuff here.

   

Urban centres invariably have more Crime. California has far more Urban centres.

   

Didn't we already do a go round of Wyoming vs California?

Firearms Death Rate per 100,000 (most recent) by state


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Interesting, I suppose we are both corrected.

   

Not to be a dick, but when you read the title of the chart 'Firearms Death Rate' you should go: Oh that includes non criminal deaths, like justified uses, and suicides.

Also their are more crimes than just murder, that should be used when looking at how criminaly dangerous a place is. With a low enough population like half a million you could get clusters that distort statitics. Also you need to acount for a small wide spread population, a crime that might just be an assault in a large city with fast emergancy medical treatment, might be a murder in a smaller less able location.

You can also run into problems with one time events, or unusual events. If two gangs had a gang war and killed 10 people in the state of Wyoming that would have a noticable change on the total rate. A 'gang war' that killed 10 in California would be swallowed up by the average and have no statisticly important meaning. If you looked at murder rates by cities, a town that had a single murder but a population of just 100 people would be off the charts, even if for the last 50 years they hadn't a single murder or serious assault.

More importantly in crime numbers are population density, if you took a the crime rate from one state and matched it against another but only cross compaired similar density areas you will find that they are highly similar. The many 'smaller' cities in California lower it's overall crime rate, while it's super dense cities raise it. The largest city in Wyoming is only 60,000. You can expect it to have a crime rate similar to a 60,000 person city in California.

The differanc between the gun death rate of Wyoming and California might just be the differance in suicide method. With people in California making a preferance for jumping off stuff or ODing, while the Wyoming suicidals do it with a gun.

Be sure to read into the subtext of a statistic when you are given it.

   

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