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Thanks for pointing out that the system is broke.



So you think Club Fed type prisons help reduce crime?



No, there is a difference.

I want a system where criminals DON'T want to go back.

   

Seems to work for Norway.

In simple world, that would work. In the real world, it doesn't seem to.

   

A cursory look at the justice system in Dickensian Britain suggests harsh penalties don't lessen crime.

   

Well to each his own of course, but I've travelled pretty extensively in the USA and I have never felt threatened, let alone run into a dangerous situation.

I think you just have to be sensible about where you go and when. I would say the same applies in Canada, though we probably generally give less thought to it.

As far as the topic of this thread is concerned - concealed carry in Canada - I've never felt a need for it, and I am a hunter, recreational target shooter, and a registered handgun owner.

   

The punishment of prison is to be taken away from your life. The conditions while in prison shouldn't be punishment. We're sending people to prison AS PUNISHMENT, not FOR PUNISHMENT.

And having done 30 days at the Milton Hilton, I can declare that I DON'T want to go back.

   

I don't think anyone in their right mind wants to go to prison,regardless of the living conditions inside. The problem is the persons status as a felon when they leave prison. The felon will never get a good job in any branch of government. Many careers are closed to him because of his felon status. Most companies have a "no felon" policy, as they are afraid of lawsuits if said felon acts up on company time. The convicted felon (unless he is an athlete or celebrity) is going to serve a life sentence as a second class citizen. Working two shitty minimum wage jobs just to survive. Meanwhile his old budddies work a few hours a day in criminal activity, and live like kings. Thats a hard pill to swallow for most people. He does not want to go back to prison. He also does not want to live a miserable existance being viewed as an outcast by society.

I think the better approach would to abandon this one strike way of doing things. Let the felon pay his debt to society. Give him an actual second chance to live his life without the felon label hanging over his head. Treat him like everyone else. Let him get a good job. Let him have an actual chance to make it in life. Let him know that if he fucks up again, that he will have the felon label for life. He needs some better choices than just stay clean,be poor, and stay out of prison....or return to crime, live a good life,and risk returning to prison.

   

Just to add to what I wrote in the previous post:

I frequent another discussion forum - the "Quarter Moon Saloon", a predominantly American forum - and many of the American members there staunchly maintain that they need their CCW rights and that they don't feel safe without a gun.

It always feels a little strange to me that people have to think that way. I don't think Canadians (from what I gather) have the same attitude at all, at least not in any significant numbers.

As far as a "stand your ground" law, I think we could be more forceful in allowing that, in one's home anyway. If someone breaks in and you feel threatened, that's not the time to risk trying to reason with them or to have to respond timidly. If shots are fired, I'd rather they be my own.

   

I have lived all over North America. I have never felt the need to carry a firearm. However I never lived in Detroit either.
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/m ... w_10032012
Check out those videos, and you will understand why some Americans feel the need to carry firearms. In the second video,the clerk actually had a shotgun behind the counter. He showed a lot more restraint than I would have used.

   

Well, I have also traveled quite a bit down there and have come across no more bad situations then I have p here. But, if its Crazytown I feel like visiting, I might as well hang around up here.

   

That is indeed looking more like a war zone.

   

How about this, any person with over 20 criminal convictions from different crimes should be locked up forever and not in a fancy try to help them jail, but a room the can sit untill they want to die in which case they can use the provided knife to do so.

   

That's brilliant.

You should run for parliament on that platform. You'll be a shoe in!

   

Little point in being elected to public office if you want to change something. After all I would only have one vote.

Much better to get currently elected people to vote how I'd like.

   

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Carrying a gun all the time means never having a day off.

The Yanks seem to like their gun laws and we seem to like ours. We should leave it at that.

   

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